Thread: Requirements of the Stud Dog.

Amy, this list is fine for a stud dog regarding show work in a given breed.
It does not stand up when looking for a working dog stud.
Until the 2 meet, and until people understand that show dogs in the working field greatly weaken the working dog breeds they purport to represent, there will continue to be 2 separate lines amongst dobes, rotts, GSD, mals, etc.
BG

Brad Griggs,

Can you tell me what exactly you mean in your above post... I do not know what you actually mean.

Cheers
Amy

[=Amy Pattison;15897]Brad Griggs,

Can you tell me what exactly you mean in your above post... I do not know what you actually mean.

Cheers
Amy[/]

I had the impression from Brad's previous posts Amy, that he hasn't seen a good working dog that complies with the breed standards. I think the best workers that Brad has seen are land sharks pent up with over sharpness and civil aggression that temperament wise want to take everyone's head off with little provocation. The traits you require is what I would also look for in a proper working GSD and I commend your insights into what a quality working dog should be.

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Nev

If you’re breeding working dogs and you’re primarily concerned with conformation (as in the breed standard recognised by “Kennel Clubs”) then in the case of GSDs you’d be hard pressed to breed anything worth a carrot as a working dog. You breed from proven genetic qualities you want, especially in working dogs; those genetic qualities/traits may produce courage, character, reliability, fitness, size, other physical attributes such as grip etc and are tried and tested from progeny to progeny, appearance (as in a pretty dog) is probably the last thing working dog trainers are concerned about. If you are breeding show dogs then conformation is paramount in your genetic search, and we know how much most show GSDs depart from working GSDs both physically and mentally, as do show Malinois.

[=John Evans;15923]If you’re breeding working dogs and you’re primarily concerned with conformation (as in the breed standard recognised by “Kennel Clubs”) then in the case of GSDs you’d be hard pressed to breed anything worth a carrot as a working dog. You breed from proven genetic qualities you want, especially in working dogs; those genetic qualities/traits may produce courage, character, reliability, fitness, size, other physical attributes such as grip etc and are tried and tested from progeny to progeny, appearance (as in a pretty dog) is probably the last thing working dog trainers are concerned about. If you are breeding show dogs then conformation is paramount in your genetic search, and we know how much most show GSDs depart from working GSDs both physically and mentally, as do show Malinois.[/]

John,

I don't see that a showline GSD does comply with the breed standards in conformation. The working line dogs are far closer to the original standards than any modern day showline. Most of the showline males are too big, too slow in their movements, too heavy and cumbersome, too angulated with short back legs. Show results amounts to a judges opinion, but if you really study the GSD conformation by the breed standards, the showline dogs I think are miles out. More working line GSD's I think actually have the physique of the original dog way above the dogs who the judges select to win the shows.

Cheers
Nev