Thread: Type of people that i think suit a mal

Hi Rob

As far as I’m concerned there are good and poor examples in all breeds. I’ve seen all of the prominent working breeds make good service dogs and I’ve also seen some of them fail to make the grade. I would have any of the three breeds discussed; GSD, Rottweiler, or Malinois, providing they were a good working example of the breed. Unfortunately over the years the popularity of the first two breeds has caused many breeders worldwide to produce substandard examples for the money not for the good of the breed. I hope the Malinois won’t go the same way. I’d also be interested in experiencing a Dutch Shepherd in the future.

Personally, I don’t feel the need to get all defensive about my dogs. Maybe I’m not as insecure as the people who do.

Hi Chris,
I could not agree with you more on the above post.
But you never see any rottie owners or GSD owners get on here and say their breed is the best in the world.
It only comes from the mali owners.
Makes me wonder are the majority of them just cowboys and do they have them for the wrong reasons.
Are they just heading down the same path as the pitties.
With so many of them being bred here and not enough homes for them, espescially with the disposal rate of them it is just a matter of time before we start to see dog attacks in the community from malis. Where do these dogs end up?
As they are not a real sale able item in this country. Except to the services, and lets face it how many can they take.

[=Robert Santori;17522][=Sidney Aarons;17520][=Chris Royal;17517]There are good and bad in all breeds, and suitability for different jobs and people is conducive with the genetics, how the dog is brought on from puppy-hood, and what experience and personality the handler/owner has, and what he or she wants from the breed.. All breeds come with their own “baggage” (I prefer to refer to it as inherent traits/drives). I suppose we can all find faults if we try hard enough, even with the best of dogs, but that’s just a “mines better than yours” thing which really means nothing.[/]

Sydney

I would like to know how many of you have actually owned and trained a Malinois!
Not just going off hear say?
What difference does that make, as a trainer, you should know a good trainer should be able to read a dog, and gets to know all it problems.
Most of us buy a dog for life , or maybe go through 2 or 3 maybe to get a good one.
I have had Malinois's for almost 10yrs and I have had many of them (around 30).
My point exactly, 10 years you say ,well you should have only have had 1 to 2 dogs in that time, after all good malis are so readily available and much easier to obtain than any other breed of dog. So we are told here. So what you are saying is, you had to go through maybe 28 malis to find a good one. They do have a life span of at least 10 years, do they not. So where are these poor dogs that did not cut the mustard?
Well lets see for every mali lover out there, if they went through 28 malis to get a good one, and the groupies are obviously growing, how many unwanted useless malis are left out there.
As has been d on this site: it is much easier to find a good mali than it is to find a good rottie or GSD. What a joke .
The Malinois is becoming more and more utilised all over the world and in fact in the US the Malinois is out numbering the GSD as a service dog in all departments!
Well the Americans have always been known to get everything first , and then realise it is no good and sell it off to Australia, you all want to follow the Americans so much, maybe you should go there. We are in Australia. What is this monkey see monkey do?
What I would like to know is, you all go on about the services, and I have stated that the mali certainly has a place in the services. But how many of you mali owners are actually in the services???? Or are you just dreamers.
You are obviously insecure about your chosen breed otherwise , you would not feel the need to continually push the mali. Mali owners are really getting beyond the joke now.
Besides from that when was the last time a GSD or Rotti won the FCI IPO World Championships!
I'm seeing comments like thin skinned Malinois's coming from people who have never owned a Malinois and hold no qualifications in canine behaviour and training and yet I'm sure if you have seen more than 20 dogs you would've seen some "thinned skinned" GSD's and Rotti's.
They probably would not want to own one from what they have seen.
Yes but no where near , as the amount of thin skinned malis I have seen per ratio.
How do you know who is qualified and who is not?
How do you know who has owned a mali and who has not?
We just have to look at the disposal rate or more so your disposal rate in "black and white" above, so to speak.
Look at the debarked malis, if they are easy to live with, why is this so ???????
Making comments like the above is really ignorant as I have owned all of the above breeds and have enjoyed them all but there is nothing like a ''Malinois''.
Like the one ones asleep by my feet.

I'll throw this one just for good measure, go and have a look at this site Canine Inherited Disorders Database - Introduction and have a look at the genetic issues you GSD and Rotti lovers have to look forward too.
Go on! Stick it back in sand![/]
Well it is only a matter of time , before the mali will have issues also, at the rate the mali is being bred and discarded in this country , if we have to breed 28 dogs for every mali lover to obtain one as you put it, that is alot of crap breeding stock out there.If a dog is any good I cannot understand why one would need to get rid of it to get another.
One more thing Mali owners are like bible bashers, they just do not stop , and are constantly going on and on trying to convert dog owners who have no insecurities or issues.
You obviously need to be reasssured about your chosen breeds, or are unsure.
Do you ever see rottie owners or GSD owners starting these threads, zilch.
Maybe you should stick your head in the sand.[/]

I'm going to try and keep this as short as I can and I'm going to dissect others comments!
Ok well maybe I should've explained myself a little better!
I am a professional dog trainer and that some times entails me to buy dogs to train and sell so that in being, why I have had so many Malinois's, GSD's and Rotti's.
I have in fact seen a lot more weaker Rotti's and GSD's than I have Malinois's and the reason that is the working line Malinois has only been in this country since 1990 so in saying that, there are not he amount of working Malinois's in this country as there are Rotti's or GSD's so it is all proportional.

As far as America goes, well numbers talk!
If your dog of choice was such an adaptable working dog don't you think these country's with such a high demand on a good working dog would be utilised a little more?

Also I don't know of any working Malinois's that have come from America so I don't know where you have got your info on that...seems like mere speculation to me!

And seeing the Malinois has been around since the mid 18th century and only has 3 genetic issues unlike your beloved breeds.

Chris I do apologise I did misread your statement on the "thinned skinned" Malinois.

And really Rob I don't know how you can put Malinois owners in the same category as Pittie owners, as the Malinois breeding is meant something entirely different and also I have met many Pittie owners over the yrs and they are nothing like Malinois owners so the statement in itself makes no sense what so ever!

I have only known one Malinois to be debarked.

The Malinois is regarded all over the world as the "best working dog in the world" because of it's adaptability in all parts of the world as it can work in all climates and has a longer working life, generally speaking of course.

Anyway this is really a futile argument and could go on for the ages, but I have dogs to train and exercise and have better things than to dissect others comments and yet I'm sure there will be some on here that will be frustrated by the lack the response I have given, but so be it.

Insecurity did not drive me to Malinois, it was the realisation that they are in fact "the best working dog in the world"

I agree with Chris in saying that all breeds have their advantages, but the Malinois is perfect for me!

Bugger it, I did mean to say I'm not going to dissect other comments! Whoops!

no one here ever promotes other breeds as better,
It is only the insecure malis owners starting these types of threads.
And constantly putting down the other breeds.
And with reason we get our backs up.
They need to grow up

Im not promoting the MALS as better this is a forum and alot of people visit this site for information i know when i was personally gathering information that i wanted to know as much as possible what there like , etc but no one ever gave information about what kind of person would suit a mal they just rattled of the positive and negs of the breed there wasn’t any info on what kind of lifestyle would allow a dog like the mal to assimilate so in effect didnt know if i was suitable for the breed

but with alot and i mean alot of support i though to myself ill give them ago ! and stated there perfect for my lifestyle because of X , Y , Z

Im not insecure in any way shape or form like I said if I don’t like a breed I give them the flick there isn’t any point me putting up a post if I don’t like them why waste my time however if ive had a good experience and I think other can possible benefit then I seen no harm its like “ if I was a race car driver and bought a new car I would be listing what I think of the car what I loved about it , what I hate and who I think would be suitable to drive that car “

At no point have a ever put down any other breeds full stop there’s no point me slagging them off what does that do for me in anyways whats so ever??

No I don’t see where you needed to get defensive or your back up ?? please point out where I have written any negative comments or put down other breeds e.g. rotty , sheps this thread is about what people I think would suit a mal , I was hoping other mal owners would be able to provide there own experience , share experiences , provide first hand info about the breed and share what I know about them so far to inform the general public about these dog if they were interested in getting one but all that’s actually been posted is comparison between rotty&sheps vs mals ?? how can you even compare without first stating the purpose or application of the dog secondly this was never about which ones better it was just purely for information purposes to provide a first hand experience of the breed

I mean did I post this in the wrong section this section was dedicate to mals right ???

No ROB said specfically

It is only the insecure malis owners starting these types of threads.
And constantly putting down the other breeds.
And with reason we get our backs up.

I know i started this thread so im deducing he is refering to me and that im " constantly putting down the other breeds "

Im just simply stating thats UNTRUE

The only person I see consistently getting his back up over breeds is Rob. I admire the passion he has for Rotty's but talk about head in the sand! A bit like the Pot calling the Kettle black Rob. I don't see it as being about my breed is better than yours at all as I think most hear admire a good dog no matter what the breed and I don't see any wounded egos here on this thread either, just people discussing breeds they love and why for whatever reason. I actually own 3 different breeds so I could hardly be accused of being breed biased, but it is interesting that those with the strongest opinions on the Malinois and all of their perceived shortcomings are those that don't own them and never have owned them. Andrew put up a very good thread about why he likes Mals and why they suit him but it was very quickly hijacked and turned into GSD and Rotty's are better because they are easier to live with. Well that's great but is this a working dog forum or a pet dog forum? As a dog trainer who showcases my dogs every day in public my Malinois suits my needs more than adequately. I'm yet to find a Rotty or GSD that would even come close for my needs. Maybe Rob can put up some videos of his Rotty's on the nice website he has so the rest of us Mali owners can see these great dogs that he has? Just make sure it is more than them being nice to live with around the house please.

P.S. Sorry if this post is a bit all over the place but I have been writing over a 2 hour period in between doing demos with my "typically thin nerved" Malinois infront of thousands of people at the 4X4 Show in Brisbane all while trying to keep him from bouncing off the ceiling LOL