Thread: Type of people that i think suit a mal

This Adam Chap , leaves alot to be desired,
Firstly to be a security guard, or Co. You would think one has to be of good character, Adam does not seem to be of good character, from his attitude on this forum.
His handling of dogs leaves alot to be desired.
In my thirty years in the industry, I have never seen a dog on the job ,with only a prong collar, the poor animal is constantly getting corrected for doing its job.
That is rediculous.
He sounds like a whack job to me, with tickets on himself.
Who should not have a license to operate.
If that dog is so good, and he has control of it, why the prong collar, and only the prong collar, sounds like a ego driven cowboy to me.

Originally Posted by adam VIPSS

All I can say is wow.

Non of you can show me a video of your dogs doing Half of what my can.
But all you are good for is putting others down.

And what have you done "Metson" where is the video of your dog.
Show us your obedience and handling techniques.

My is up there, so if you want to bash it show me by example ( you handling your own dog )

Like Vendo say's Talk is cheap show us your dog.

Adam,
how old are you??
Your antics are like a school yard boy, (mine is bigger than yours) grow up.
Show us a video of any dog on the job ,(not in training) using only a prong collar.
Your skills are not to high, IMHO, if you have to have a puppy mal on a prong collar 24/7.
Only show offs and in secure people need to go around and show people, what they can do, and have got.
What ever happened to the quiet achiever?????????????????
There is nothing informative on that video at all.
But an over grown white headed, short little man, with an inflated ego, in need of his next drink.
Stable and secure people are happy enough, with just themselves knowing their capabilities.
You need to grow up a little bit.
Was it you that got knocked up by a man playing with his son in one of those schools, on an oval, and you and your dog got beat up. Because of your attitude ,and the way they were approached by you?
Oh Yes It Was. and they also got away.
May be you should stick to just bullying school children.

You are a bloody clown.
So every time that poor dog, lunges forward to do it's job, to stop an intruder, it gets corrected, is that right?
And if it does not , then there is no need for the prong collar then is there?
So that dog will become as insecure as you.
Some people just should not have access to some equipment.

LOL Seems like lot of people are jelous from Adams, fame!!!! its his dog his job he can do what he wants and when he wants and what ever he wants to use on his dog. his not being cruel to his dogs they all look fit & healthy & happy and in control. P.S. like adam said put up your dogs or your videos and lets all of us judge you!!!!! I was going to get a dog from adam but decided not to at the momment as my Gshep is getting on with age, + need to save a bit more $$..

Originally Posted by adam VIPSS

Thanks Jim

I think you have hit the nail on the head.

All these knockers cant show us doing any thing with their dogs but they keep putting others down.

It must be that they are incapable of reaching the standards so all that they can do is truing diminish other who can do better.
I can claim all i like if i never show the evidence.

Jim I have seen these wankers over and over again. They claim how good they are but in reality they can't do anything.

I remember when I went to the K9PS trail in Queensland.
These people claimed they they where so good because they got some medals.

In reality their dogs could not even do basic OB.


The only dog that could work to my standard was Vendos, and the rest had no clue, and no skill.

So once again "Metson" whoever you are stop hiding behind your key pad and show as a video of you working your dog.

Adam,
can you answer the questions, your standards are not very high, judging by that video

Originally Posted by Jason Baskin

m.stevenson your last comment my friend was that you are not doing anything illegal. Are you sure about that? The website of your company states
“VIP Security offers highly trained and qualified security guards and security dogs in order to stop intruders and trespassers, when the situation calls. .......”
Do you have any idea how and when you can use a security dog?
If your current employer indeed has you highly trained then you should have a good grasp of the QLD criminal code.
Like any other guard, when you are employed to do a job you have no more right than any other citizen. Except that there is a contract between the property owner and the security provider to defend the property within the bounds of the law.
In regards to trespassing Qld Law states.
74.(1) If a person is in peaceable possession of a place, or has the right to
control or manage a place, the person may use reasonable force—
(a) to stop anyone wrongfully entering the place; or
(b) to remove from the place anyone who wrongfully remains in the
place.
74(4) However, force used under subsection (1), (2) or (3) must not be
intended or likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm.
Now when we are talking about grievous bodily harm we are also talking about assault.
The Queensland Act States.
113.(1) A person assaults anyone if, without the other person’s
consent—
(a) the person applies force to the other person; or
(b) the person—
(i) by a bodily act or gesture, attempts or threatens to apply
force to the other person; and
(ii) is able, or appears to be able, to apply the force.

In the video the young man clearly was being detained and even if he was not assaulted physically, it is clear as day that the dog and the guard were being used to intimidate him. At one section in this video the guard told the young chap that he may be held for the police. The hight of the fence is of no significance even if it were 1 meter high, 2 meters or possibly 50 cm high. Clear intimidation was used to detain him.

This could be seen as a criminal act. You might not like it and I certainly do find it frustrating however as professionals we still have to work within the law.

Now where can I send my bill for educating you?

LOL wow I don’t wanna some off as an asshole but currently im studying law and there are sooo many holes in your argument
Firstly to be completely honest I did NOT see anything wrong with adams dogs and if there doing the job intended and his company is getting over 2000+ incidents then who can complain it what he uses his dogs for
He didn’t make any threats about the dog attacking in theory if someone were to take adam to the evidence that the dog is a security dog can be taken out of context in that the dog is used in conjunction with a security guard and thus one could raise the defence the dog was to be single purpose detection dog ?? ( remember it not what you know its what you can prove in court)
and regarding Intimidation
Criminal threatening (or threatening behaviour) is defined as the crime of intentionally or knowingly putting another person in fear of imminent bodily injury. "Threat of harm generally involves a perception of injury...physical or mental damage...act or instance of injury, or a material and detriment or loss to a person."[
They (security guards) also have the power of citizens arrest this is where they have see you commit an offence to provide clarity YES does include trespassing , they have the power to detain you until police arrive
Just saying…………but
Like any other guard, when you are employed to do a job you have no more right than any other citizen. Except that there is a contract between the property owner and the security provider to defend the property within the bounds of the law.
This is incorrect they have additional power depending on the role they possess
74.(1) If a person is in peaceable possession of a place, or has the right to
control or manage a place, the person may use reasonable force—
the term reasonable force is considered to be enough force to overcome or the aggression Any more than enough to overcome resistance leaves you open to accusations of excessive force. The surrounding circumstances include the parity or disparity between parties. this needs to be taken into the context of the situation if the individual was running at Adam with a knife while he was on duty would it be considered reasonable force to deploy the dog in my opinion and the opinion of many judges and case laws would infer this would be a acceptable measure however if he were to deploy the dog because someone swore at him it would be crossing quite a few boundary’s depending on the situation a claim of excessive force can be made however I see no evidence that would indicate that in the short clip that adam presented
Therefore from my view and understanding the video displaying and showing adam working with the law there is multiple case study , decision and precedent’s that contradict your statements
Where do I charge my bill ??