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    I would have to agree with Adams statement "other people since have adopted the term, and if we are no careful it will become a law" , well in spirit anyway.

    I have noticed that a lot of kennels in Europe will describe the dogs as being Mal cross or Dutch cross as far as reference to KNPV it is refereed to the title on the dog not the line. I do not know some might say KNPV lines but majority refer to them as a cross. KNPV was used here as a descriptive for a cross bred dog. Which I have no problem with other than it is not a line of dog it is a sport.

    Europe has an advantage they can travel many boarders in a few Hrs and participate in many different dog sports. A lot of kennels will not only title the dogs in KNPV but will also cross over to other sports such as Modoring and even Sch/IPO. We do not have this advantage of many countries with many trainers and many sports - we are it.
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    [=Monika Kawecki;16250]Jonathon - as to your original question - you dont ask for much do you?
    Dog that has civil aggression but is ok with all sorts of strangers in the vets surgery. Dog with no prey drive but traineable for sch (that uses prey drives to train)
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    Hey Monika,

    Maybe I have civil aggression terminology wrong. Im after a dog when in the protection work want the man not the bite sleeve. (Someone correct me if I am wrong for this definition)

    When the situation asks it will react and take on a threat. In a vet surgery which is a neutral situation with no threat I expect a dog not to bite someone. I also expect a dog to be friendly with those outside its pack(the clients). ie low social aggression.
    For me and my situation this dog has to be a good ambassador for dogs and the breed plus myself being a vet. And also for the sport of Schutzhund/IPO proving to the uneducated public that its not a 'dangerous attack training promoting aggression etc'

    I didn't say i wanted no prey drive. I just want a dog without excessive prey drive. Last thing I want is a dog going crazy when it sees a kid waving a paddle pop. I have been told by breeders of both GSD and malinois that malinois are alot more prey.

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    Adam - So on the same note should a working dog be stripped of the working titles if it doesnt get a show championship? Because they are only half of the dog they should be?
    C'mon look at it from both sides.

    I have show dogs. I never deny this. I am however interested in working dogs as much as I am in show dogs.
    So let me tell you a story about one of my show dogs.
    He was an awesome dog, he won in the show ring heaps and heaps, very famous all around Australia show dog. He had super strong nerves and enough prey drive to train him (I didnt know how at the time) I took him to the sch club when he was about 5 yo. Of course when I first arrived I was asked where is he from and the moment I mentioned that he is a grand champion he was basically gone, noone was interested in looking at him, plus his age was against him. I was told he cant be good as he is a show dog.
    I now know he was good enough to do sch. So that was one.

    Second one - more prey drive but not as stable.
    I trained and entered a BH with her. She wasnt ready, I was talked into entering her in the competition. I did to support the club and make up the numbers. Needless to say she failed, but I expected it. Her litter brother was also at the same club, better dog then my bitch, ready for a BH, doing well in prtection (for the amount of training he was given) owner decided not to participate in the sport any more for personal reasons - one of them lack of helper in the club.

    Third one - she is a good dog, she could compete if I gave her time and if the club gave us time.
    Club has no helper.
    When they borrow a helper everyone that has a working dog that is going to compete is given preference time and attention, because again I have show dogs that are not exactly perfect for this.
    So after months and months of no helper, my laziness and personal circumstances that made it difficult for me to attend training I am yet to compete with this dog, in anything.
    But first I should train her and I have not picked up the leash for a while.
    That would be a show leash or obedience leash as well.

    If you look at the Malinois there are a large number of working line dogs that would and have won in the show ring.

    So you say, is there a proof? Who enters their working dogs in shows? OK Alison Kollenberg does...

    But there are NO Conformation or Show bread dogs doing SCH


    In Sydney there are 5-6 dogs doing sch at the club I belong to. Im one of the show people, so I guess I make up 20% of the dogs, if I bring both of my bitches thats 40%. and there is a show line GSD. So at my club show dogs make up aprox 50% of dogs being trained......
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    Thank you Craig. Actually the pups I breed I advertise as family pets. Not show dogs, not working dogs, no miracles in any way.

    My ultimate dream would be to breed, own and title a show champion with an IPO title.
    From what I know so far there was one dobe bitch like this in Australia. Owned by a friend of mine in Adelaide, bred by Kollenbergs.

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    Monika,

    Come join me and do agility! Furia would be awesome! It is heaps of fun and very challenging if you decide you want to be quite competitive. It is just as technical as ob if you are serious about it. While it is harder to be as competitive with the larger 600 jumping dogs as with the smaller 500 and 400s it can be done, and my fellow has picked up a 2nd and two 3rd in all heights competitions (where they all compete against each other) and a first when only competing against other 600 jumping dogs.

    There is a lot you can do before going to a club at home which you don't need equipment for too
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