Thread: Elgos Pedigree

Hi Adam,

Not taking sides here and not going to say what I am liking more each day, through my own investigations. Though I will say my mind has changed on what I am looking into for the future.


One thing I have heard in the pedigree word is DNA. To sort out if your dog is from the parents you think you paid for. Here in Australia they are planning on putting it as a pedigree requirment.
Because I have heard so much about these breeds and the mixing in the past. I would be asking for it before paying.
People that I know have had their dogs DNA tested to see how much working dog blood they have, just to compete in agilty.
With all I have read, pedigree with these dogs have the biggest question mark than any other breed. When I have pups I will have them DNA'ed.

Another thing is, I like to hear what people have to say here, if I was just going to listen to them and not investergate what they say, then more fool me. But I have learned a lot here from members and don't mind people having their say but keep it at that and don't go on with it. If you want to attack someone, PM them. I like a postive forum and hate wasting time reading crap. All dogs are great and we each have our own likes. Because of this forum, I have been looking into other breeds and I'd rather know how good your dog is, than you spending time bagging about anothers dog. Because I look at the other dog...
It will be great to see your dog in the future and would love to hear tails of growing pains,lol

regs ena

I have a pedigree Mal. that goes to Elgos very happy with her. Do I worry her line is pure or not pure, not really.

Do I like the Non pedigree dogs yeah sure.

Just pick which one you want.

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To sort out if your dog is from the parents you think you paid for. Here in Australia they are planning on putting it as a pedigree requirment.quote


As I understand it Ena, the DNA testing/profiling is completely up to the Individual Breeder.I have not seen any documentation from the ANKC suggesting mandatory DNA testing. Can you post a link or other about where you saw this info?

Amy

Hi Amy,

I don't have a site off hand, but I came by a few sites that said it will be a requirement in the future. So I rang up and spoke to Dogs SA and they told me it is going to happen but not just yet. It will be like Hip and Elbow, if you don't get it done, you don't get papers.

It all has to do with show breeders, they like to have their say and it is them that is bringing it in.

As for agility, a friend here had to get her x breeds kelpie and heeler DNA tested to be allowed to compete at competition level. They check for how much working line blood they have and if they come under I think it is 45%
they cannot compete, oh and because it is a cross breed it has to be desexed before it is allowed to compete and that was brought in this year.

I will see if I can get something in writing.

regards ena

Originally Posted by VIPSS

For all of you that dont know it here is a OFICIAL pedigree of
Elgos du Chemin des Plaines
BELG RING 1, MONDIO 3, FR3, 5X WORD CHAMPION

Belgian Malinois: Elgos du Chemin des Plaines pedigree information


Some one here sugested that elgos has a false pedigree that on his pedigree his father is Bass. It is clear that that person was wrong once again as elgos oficial pedigree that is everywhere on the net states Atos as his sire.

You have got it the wrong way around Adam.
If you look back into the "offical" pedigree of Elgos, that is the one the kennel club pedigrees come written up with, it says that Bass de la Noaillerie is the father. This is what your pedigree will state Elgos father as, just like this one does - Kaiserhaus Kennels -

It is since then that the real infromation has come out from the owners and breeders of Elgos that "Atos" is the actual father, and so Elgos has a fake pedigree.
All the "unoffical" pedigree databases such as pedigreedatabase.com now list the real parentage of these Malinois in the interests of keeping the correct facts.
So yes, I was right and Elgos is a fake pedigreed dog.
The dog listed as Elgos father on all "FCI" and "ANKC' and "AKC" paperwork is Bass.
He's not the only one. Eik de duex Pottois, G'vitou de duex Pottois, G'bibber to name just a couple also have false pedigrees. You see the breeders of the most prolific Malinois kennels in Europe , de duex Pottois, since he stopped breeding has come forward and admitted he falsified the pedigrees on most of his litters. He bred to the "unregistered" NVBK ring dogs and put fake FCI papers on them. He did this because the 'unregistered" NVBK dogs were higher quality, and stronger dogs than were the FCI dogs.
This is the problem for Malinois people who put down the "unregistered" dogs without known their own "pedigreed" dogs are full to the brim with the same "unregistered" dogs they put down.

Hi Ena,

Why is the DNA profile of your friends dogs relevant to agility trials?

Invictus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who Cares I have a pedigree and my dog is registered with the ccc.

I can also register the pups with the ccc if i breed her to a registered dog,
she is registered and microchiped.

My dog acording to the papers and registration is a pure bred dog Zico is her father and Hanna is the mother I know this.

For security work if my dog ever bites any one and in court if they ask me if the dog is registered i can say yes.

Who cares if they put down Atos or Portos or Aramis in a pedigree 20 years ago.

For a dog that is dead we do know that elgos father is Atos because the mistake was corected.

And we know that this happens in Europe and it did happened in the past.

I dont know why the contredictions One minute the KNPV unregistered dogs that a lot of them look quite questionable (Because their are a cross bread)
Are the bees knees cos there the best.

and the next minute you are trying to tell me that the registered dogs are bread with the same dogs as yours that they cross them and put fake pedigrees etc.

So you continualt contridict your self.

Furthermore The only isue i have with the whole debate here is that You ceep on saying that the knpv are for real and the others are not.

ONCE AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, AND MAYBEE YOU WILL ANSWHERE ME WITH OUT INSULTS.

NOT ALL KNPV DOGS ARE GOOD

BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN HOLLAND I HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF THEM BEING RUN OF THE FIELD IN THE CURAGE TEST.

DO YOU AGREE?????????????????

And as to who prefers what, i prefer pure bred registered dogs (with Papers)

SAYING THAT THERE WHERE A NUMBER OF DOGS IN HOLLAND THAT I DID LIKE AND THAT WHERE HARD ENOUGH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO OWN THEM.


BUT THAT WAS A SMALL PERSANTAGE ABOUT 10% THE REST WHERE MEDIOCA AT BEST

Do you agree?????????

Hi Adam,

Please don't keep going on with this, I think Chris is trying to tell you what he knows.

Hi Chris, we hear and learn, so can we agree to disagree.

I think you both have great dogs and they are different, but we will learn more here if we don't go on about things people don't want to hear.


I thought it was all about what you can get out of your dog, for you. So what others say should mean nothing.

The problem I see is the DNA in the future. If your pedigree isn,t what it seems, then I can see a lot of people loosing a lot of money.

To add to that, my best dogs have not been pedigrees.


Now to Amy, I found some stuff but don't know how to blog.
Animal DNA Laboratory -> Home

This was 1994, and it was 3 years ago I spoke to Dogs SA. It just takes a phone call, but it will change in time.
Like I said, agility is doing it with x breeds if they want to compete.

regs ena

Just rang Dogs SA again and they said they are talking about it and it will come in down the line but not yet......

eatz

I dont mean any malise and the questions that i asked I dont think are insulting any one. they are just general questions about no particular dog.

I am not refering to Chrises dogs or jenzes dogs or any dogs. Just a general Observation.

I know that in Ipo Sch there are some very seriouse and bordering on dangerouse dogs and there are those that are not so intence. After all we are not all lion timers and some one might want the drives with less dominants and agresion, others might prefer for the dog to be handler chalanging and show handler dominance.

You will find dogs like that in any sport KNPV SCH etc. you will find that in all breeds to, it just depends what you prefer.


If some one finds my comments not informative but offencive I am sorry.