Thread: advice with suit work

Hi Jasada

I have to disagree with you on the points that you have put up that the dog has to bite well on the sleve and do muzzle agitation before it can be put on a suit.

I have seen and helped developed dogs in the suit it is totaly different to a sleve, and you can start a dog quite early on a suit but you have to know what you are doing.

It does not need to be put through the muzzle agitation first and you dont have to develop its bite on a sleve. You can do it all on the suit.

You got it back to front with the muzzle. The people that understand suit work would use the muzzle as a finishing tool to the suit work if they are trainning civil dog. The muzzle work is to show the dog that there is no equipment it is only the man. But that is after the dog is proficent at suit work and has the full bite developed. You can also go back to suit and back to muzzle and back and forth as needed. Depending on what you are trying to acheve. The hard cilinder sleve and concealed sleve is obselite and serves no purpouse for civil work. But having a suit and knowing how to use it is another matter all together.


In the suit you have a much better understanding of the presure the waight of the dog the movement and so on, the sleve is my least prefered pice of equipment, and it is ok to train sport dogs but not real civil dogs.

Adam
VIPSS

Hi

I agree with the above post, the Dutch and the Belgians both have their dogs on suits at a very young age, I have video footage of young Dutch pups biting the suit at 12 weeks of age, I have also seen footage of 16week old Belgian Ring dogs biting the suit, both very different disciplines but yet both encourage a young dog to be on the suit asap. After time the suit just becomes another piece of training equipment like a "giant sleeve", it is only the initial bite on a suit that the dog thinks he is biting a man, after that it is just another piece of training equipment.

Yes Ben

I agree with you in both countries the pups are weened of the puppy sleeve after a bit of a game straight to a suit.
It is not the suit but the way you use it that stuffs up the dogs like any other equipment. If used incorrectly and with out knowledge it serves no purpose.

I prefer the suit as this builds real civil dogs, and selves are for professional sport dogs, and amateur trainers. This is just my opinion others might disagree. And the concealable sleeve is just for people to show off. It serves absolutely no purpose in training. When you think about it it is hard like steel the dog thinks it is biting a piece of concrete not a man made of flash and blood. The concealable sleeve other then to show off is a useless piece of equipment that should never be used in training. Demos only for big macho full of testosterone people

Vipss

Hi all
I have been taught that a dog has to have a calm full grip on a sleeve before it is introduced to a suit..
I believe the suit is a tool that a dog sees as equipment like it would a sleeve.
muzzle further intensifies the training in teaching a dog to fight a person without biting, thus intensifying the stress levels, and have been told to always finish off with a bite.
The bite suit is a great aid to teach the dog to bite different parts of the body. In saying this though it doesnt mean that a dog that bites a suit will bite in real life...
Undercover sleeves are a good tool to test this if used correctly.

regards
george