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Brad Griggs (07-22-2010)
Hey Adam,
After my own semi-recent experiences I too now understand getting things in email/written form is very important, for both the seller and the purchaser.
I sold a dog, did the right thing all the way, and am now experiencing drama 12mo later from the client. I assumed because they were referred through a very trustworth professional colleague as 'good people' that these people were worth dealing with, and it turned out they didn't listen to a word of advice I gave them and are serious trouble makers.
Just goes to show mate, there is good and bad on both sides of any transaction, and best intentions and due dilligence is the responsiblity of both parties.
As I tell any potential purchaser of any dog I have ever sold, or any person seeking my advice on buying a pup or older dog; buying any dog means dealing in a greasy, scandalous industry, and it is strictly 'buyer beware'. A reputable trainer/breeder will be able to answer questions, and will not mind answering questions or spending time with you.
As for deposits on dogs mate, a deposit is a deposit. I personally wouldn't take a deposit before understanding the buyers end requirements, however a deposit that is stated as non refundable should rightfully stay in the vendors hands.
Satisfied clients mean the world and are of great importance however, so best practice in a given case may be to work out how to refund the deposit.
If for example a client pays a deposit on a raw dog, and you as a vendor start to train that dog based on their specific requirements, they have no right to recieving that deposit back if they change their mind. The training put into that dog may not suit another client, and can end up making the dog harder to sell, depending on specifics.
Also, a dog with a deposit on it should never be sold to another client, IT IS OFF THE MARKET AND IS SPOKEN FOR. If another buyer comes to you and the dog is not able to be sold then that is a sale you have lost. This has happened to many people, and being reputable they have tried to help the potential client by referring the potential sale on to another trusted supplier, losing a potential client that the dog would have been suited to, and then the deposit maker wanted a refund....NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN.
I have had deposits paid, done a ton of work sourcing a suitable animal, and then had the client change their mind or come to light as being unsuitable to own that style of animal. Were only talking a couple of hundred bucks or so, but still, at least it was some type recompense for hours spent driving, phone calls made, effort and time expended. Mind you, I only take a small deposit in these situations, and for this very reason.
There are always going to be sellers with an upset client here or there, that is life and it not possible to entirely avoid. Those of us that are reputable will go well out of our way to communicate clearly and act in a highly ethical manner, as we don't like people to be unhappy as it is poor business practice.
When dealing with a living, breathing, complicated, beautiful animal like a dog, horse, etc, there are always things that are beyond human control. I think how we try and deal with it is the best judge of character, as the outcomes achieved can be difficult where human emotion becomes involved. The welfare of the dog should always be of paramount concern, client satisfaction and ethical business practice a very very close second.
It would seem that honesty is still the best policy in this regard mate, even if sometimes it is not well recieved or good for business.
BG
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I also agree with most that has been said but I also have to disagree with a few points that have been made.
I breed once in a while .. I have a kennel but I am what us Americans call "a Title Whore" LOL I love to compete with my dogs in many different venues.
But as a breed, handler, trainer etc
I have a 14 page contract that folks have to agree with in the USA. 10 page contract for overseas. The reason they are different is b/c I can not look up penal codes in other countries. Due to the FACT I breed Presa Canarios I want to make sure they do not get into the hands of fighters, but I do understand that there is fighting overseas still as well.
The points I want to point out
1. PICK MALE/FEMALE
SORRY UNABLE TO FIX MY POST SO I AM CONTINUING THE POST STARTED
1.PICK MALE/FEMALE: GOOD BREEDER will point out the dogs that are working, or pets by testing the pups as they turn 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 8 weeks. Make sure you and the breeder have spoke about what you are looking for in a dog. If you are looking for a working dog and are UNABLE to see the litter first hand have the breeder video the dogs for you, together and separate, this way you have seen the WHOLE litter and you can choose or the breeder should have videoed the pups that he/she felt are working potential. So then you can choose from the breeder that has stated they are the best working pups that he/she has seen in the litter. Remember NOT all pups out of working lines will come out exceptional for working and not all dogs coming out of none working dog will not have a good drive.
If you are able to go see the pups then see them at 4,6,8 before choosing. Do not allow the breeder to push you into choosing one right away. I can also understand if the breeder sees you are not gonna choose after 8 weeks you should have too. I do agree if you do NOT know how to pick a good pup then have someone who is a trainer in the field you are wanting or are in to go see and pick for you or hire someone that knows dogs.
2. ABOUT DOGS IN OTHER SPORTS: I have to say I have seen some exceptional dogs that go into many venues out of non protection dogs and go right into it. So dont look at what the person has done with there dogs to be the end all. I say this b/c I myself do Protection, Agility, Obedience, Rally & Weight Pull so I see my dogs as ones that have proven themselves way more then others (in My BREED)
3. TITLES: If a dog has a title find out what that title is in. If the dog has a (AKC) CGC (American Kennel Club / Canine Good Citizen) that is NOT a title but a basic behavior title that they give here in the states. It is not a title that proves the parents or the offspring will be good working dogs.
If the dog has a Schutzhund 1 and you want to purchase the dog for more working then take a trainer and GO TEST THE DOG. Many folks who will sell a dog with a title like this means something has happened to them and they are not the working dog they thought or the person has to sell the dog for personal reasons.
4 DEPOSITS: Are a good way to get rid of the riff raff that want a dog. But it should be posted on there website or contract when signing that you will not get your deposit back due to the following: a) for pick pup b) taking care of the pup they decided to purchase. If the person doing the breeding is taking more deposits then pups run (make sure to ASK how many people are in front of you) if there are more then 4 walk away, most dogs have a litter of 7 so if you are looking for a male or female it does not mean that they will have enough period. But you can also be put on a list so if they have more then 7 you can be called and the order of the list for a pup.
5. WEBSITE OR WRITING: Make sure when you are looking on website that the breed has a basic copy of what they are standing behind on here dog, if you are purchasing from someone who does not have a website ask them for a copy of what they stand behind. So from the start you know what kind of person this is.
6. PEDIGREES: Ask the breed of a copy of the pedigree of the parents, so while you are looking for your best pup, you have different pedigrees to go against. It is a great way to look for the history of the pup you are thinking about getting.
Well this is all I can think of at the moment.
Best of luck to all that look for a great pup.
unless you implicitly trust someone with your life I would never 1) hand over a deposit with no legal paperwork drawn up and 2) buy a dog sight unseen, especially at least the bitch that gave birth to them. In this internet age shysters are all too happy to give you spin, some well taken photos and say you're getting a miracle dog.
If I dont try the pup myself and see the parents I'm not interested no matter how good the genetics are.
Sarah Fyffe (02-13-2012)
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