Thread: A Warnning to All

Amy,
my post was in no way, what so ever directed at you.
Just so we are all clear.
I do not know if you have even ever bred a litter.

Here is a good experience folks:

We bought our working GSD pup from Mindfreak Kennels in Victoria, we live in SA. The litter was sired by a Fax son and dam an Adulf daughter line bred 2-4 on Fax so the genetics in the breeding matched our preferences. We agreed on a price, main reg and pick of the males for sport. We were sent photos of sire, dam and pups, a video, copies of the hip and elbow scores and weekly updates of the pup's progress and photos after paying a small deposit.

My husband drove to Victoria to the kennel when the pups reached 8 weeks old, the two males were there as promised, conducted several tests on the two boys, played with them and collectively decided upon the pup with the better sporting drives. The balance was paid, we were given a vet certificate of health and vaccination/worming shcedule, a feeding plan and my husband left with the pup in arm and the MAIN REG PAPERS signed over to us. Since the purchase and collection, not a month has passed without a phone call from Mindfreak to ask how he is going, how's his training, his health, drives, traits and progress etc.

With that said, Mindfreak Kennels didn't custom build our pup from a kit of high grade components, he's an animal derived from nature that we understand and accept, but they did their best within their power as breeders to produce a litter of healthy working quality pups, we can't ask for more than that. They also kept their word and agreement within the purchase deal 100% from the first day of contact to collection, again we can't ask for more than that.

If Mindfreak Kennels can honour their word and do exactly as agreed upon and supply the papers on collection of the pup, so can any other breeder if they really tried hard enough. This is a testament to the fact that you can buy a working pup without getting messed around, lied to with constantly shifting goal posts, limited reg when you agreed on mains, papers arriving with co-ownerships or papers not arriving at all, and personally breeders who do pull stunts with the multitude of feeble excuses for why they can't deliver what Mindfreak delivered for us, should be shamed in my opinion.

Nice to hear some positivity!

Thanks for clarification Rob, i assumed from countless conversations and posts here, you knew i had bred in the past(nothing under my now lapsed prefix)....I don't have a website any longer due to other obligations but most of my posts here are in relation to bitches in whelp etc....

[=Amy Pattison;17840]Nice to hear some positivity!

Not everyone purchasing a working dog does so on a commercial basis and can afford to have 9 duds in the backyard before finding a good one, or like me, has the nature to turn dogs over and get rid of them for a new one if they wash out. My dogs are part of our family and I love them all and purchase them as a life long commitment which for us, a breeder needs to understand our situation too.

Too many times when looking for a working pup, you could feel in the water our attractiveness to some breeders was an opportunity to off load a pup to someone ready to buy was their primary motivation telling you what you want to hear along with bagging every other breeder's dogs as a reason why we should buy from them. The papers scenario with some breeders is a joke and they seriously must think people are stupid with a "STUNT" in progress heavily illuminated within the purchase proposal.

Although with the best intentions of all concerned dealing with genetics and nature, nothing is guaranteed with the outcome of a pup we understand that, but when dealing with breeders who block with great intensity any form of determining the litter quality and that of the sire and dam beyond their own opinion and sales pitch which happened to us on a few occassions, my belief is that they have something to hide.

The same applies buying from interstate, "can we hire an independant trainer to view the litter for us"?, was met by our breeder with "no worries", but the same question asked of some got a real shitty on about it, why?, if the litter is as good as they claim it to be, isn't an independant assessment going to confirm that and seal the deal? As I mentioned, I can't get rid of wash out dogs they are mine for keeps regardless, but I also want the best opportunity to buy a potentially good pup that suits our requirements as I already have a sporting washout in the backyard, not that it's a major issue we accept that, but I don't want another one by choice as we are already on the border of our dog housing capabilities at home, or end up with a wash out from a liar and cheat who's solely focused on my money and will sell me anything to get it?

So many good points have been raised in this thread. I'm comming from a buyer's perspective...and one who is actively in the research process at the moment. Getting the information I need to make informed choices has at times felt like searching for a needle in a haystack. Just finding a variety of semi objective opinions that have 1st hand knowledge of my breed of choice in working lines here in Australia is that provebial needle LOL. Sure I'm reading every website I can lock my eyes on, and talking for hours with breeders over the phone, researching bloodlines until my brain is about to explode...but none of that is an adequate substitute for people who are willing to share with you honestly, fairly and objectively, their own experiences so you can weigh up all considerations. Trying to find your next working companion is just as much about the breeders as it is about the dog IMHO...as you're trying to find the perfect match in both that fit with you and your individual needs/wants. It's a partnership from all sides and angles that you want to work favourably for all concerned. How much better is it (for all concerned and the breeds involved) to do as much as you can prior to embarking on this 'relationship' to ensure a good fit of values, attributes and purpose; rather than just winging it?

Most buyers probably don't go to the lengths I am currently (I certainly didn't in the past)...and even if they were inclined to a little bit....there's not many places where you can find that sort of guidance. Working breeds are already under threat from govt & public opinion in this country...and it is (I'm convinced) having a detrimental effect on the world perception of our breeding programs (if not an actual impact on what dogs are made available for use in this country)...so even more critical that buyers have access to information that can help them choose reputable and ethical breeders who are working so hard to maintain and improve the breed...that have the potential to provide a pup that is the best match for that buyer. A good match between buyer/breeder/dog has the potential to be exemplary ambassadors for the breed and for working disciplines. But we need information to find that.

We need a 'doggy dating service' LOL

By whom are you referring to Re Big brother?...As i left of my choosing i am back and not yet verified LOL Yes Ena i do certainly agree, this forum was an absolute blast once upon a time!

Cheers
Amy

Its says under Adams posts edited by adam vipss I would assume he deleted them himself seeing as he said "Deleted by me to please all".