Thread: Breeder Responsibility

what a load of time wasting crap this thread has turned out to be - yes, we all feel sorry for the dog and the boy, I even feel sorry for the pit, perhaps even for the pit's owner (does anyone know what lenghts he/she went to keep the dog on the premise!!!) Another question, if the lab was so well secured in its yard, how did the pit get in?? I don't know how, what , why so I'm not judging, but its a sad story....

if everyone spent the same amount of time on lobbying the politicians / influential people and educating the public on dogs this world would definitely be a better place!!!!

In regards to naming breeders, - I hope you have deep pockets!!!!!

Once again the biggest issue with the dog world - professional or in this case AMATEUR jealousy!!!! how about trying this for a change: mind their own business, do the right thing by their customers/dogs/breed and get on with it!!!!

Yes, I can hear it....it's about being responsible, its about doing the right thing, its about caring for dogs etc etc what a load of puritanical crap....... true to form for the dog world - never miss an opportunity to stick it to someone.......

If you want to talk about responsible actions as a breeder then tell everybody what YOU do to ensure all is well in your camp; for all our benefit (thats how people learn, through sharing of info and knowledge) and the shit will sort itself out in due course!!!!

Another thought in relation to being a responsible breeder - you can do all you like, try and evaluate the suitability of your puppy buyers, put programs in place etc one thing you will never control is the people that have the dog once they have bought it...so stop kidding ourselves!!! Is ferrari responsible for the bloke that cant drive their car and kills someone? No, the driver is! So, till we shift the mindset of responsibility from the dog/breed/breeder to the owner we will never have balanced, fair laws in relation to dogs.

Another over looked consideration here is what exactly are you looking for in a buyer to satisfy your goal of selling the pup to the right home? Our idea's will surely be different? I wonder do we need to judge them the second they leave their car? I mean come on now, judging a book by it's cover does nothing. Can we know for certain the middle aged couple with no kids will do a better job then the young couple in the car with loud music and want a "big look at me" dog?

We need to follow decency and try our best, not force personal opinion too much. We meet, we greet, then we ask what is required and then go from there...As people, we cannot guarantee anything, as we all know people will say and do what they wish regardless once they have a pup. As far as contracts, unless drawn up by legal hands they are hopeless....Unless you are prepared to take back a dog by any means, then it is all chance IMO

As for size proportions, we all have a preference even the people not actually familiar with the standards from which our breeds are based from. I know looking at my own breed in some countries breeder's are making Bull mastiffs from Rottweilers almost.They continue to do well under judges from overseas and that is how it works types change, we don't like them necessarily but judges know they can only award what is in front of them at the end of the day.

I could have typed this out with more eloquence but really it all means the same.

Cheers
Amy

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if everyone spent the same amount of time on lobbying the politicians / influential people and educating the public on dogs this world would definitely be a better place!!!! quote

Breeding less and culling would also help. Controversial opinion perhaps, but I stand by it.

Cheers
Amy

Sorry to bore you with all this crap Laurie,
Would that amateur and jealous remark be aimed at me now .
My digs are up front , I stand by what I say.
Well this is what i do as a breeder ,
My bitches wil only have 2 litters in their life may be 3 if they produced out standing dogs.
My bitches only have 6 pups to a litter the rest are culled , if they naturally have less so be it.
I do not have any pet quality pups , out of the 6, if any do not cut the mustard ,by 6 or 8 weeks they are culled.
In saying that ,there are no over/undershot entropian etc any issues a pup may have, they are culled .
I do not know of any other breeder that does this, they sell them off cheaper.
As far as I am concerned they are sub standard and should not exist.
All pups I sell must be hip and elbow scored not before 12 months ,If a pup has above average hip/elbow scores it is to be returned to me immediately for replacement, or neutered or speyed and money returned depending on severity.
If for some reason they can no longer keep the pup or dog it is to come back to me at my cost.
Condition of sale is they are to stay in touch for the animals life.
My dogs are not to be sold off , they are to go to one home and thats it , otherwise they come back to me.
I was stung by unethical breeders many years ago ,and I would not wish it upon anyone.
I pay for my dogs they do not pay for me.
I do not farm dogs out purely for breeding purposes.
I also offer 24/7 support.
And lifetime guarantee on any hereditry issues , if they were to arise.
Keeping in touch with the people also keeps me up with what I am producing, and helps me keep an eye on any behavioural issues that may arise , so they can be nipped in the bud before they become an issue with the dog and the owner.

Vendo they are conditions of purchase.
I have contracts. Not sure I understand what you are asking.
I have had 2 issues but I just go and reposses the dog.They agree to that otherwise no puppy.
The contract is for their sake and the dogs sake, the dog is a product of me , I feel I am responsible for the dogs welfare.