Thread: Why not use X breeds dogs for security

What trouble?


If using purebred dogs is all people did for everything, they would be a huge target for Breed restrictions,not that this isn't already happening though.

Every person that wanted to hold someone liable after a incident whether true or false would breed target.

What about people who have non ANKC breeds like American Bulldogs for example,or unregistered Mals, Bandogs etc

Another thing to consider is what about dogs who appear purebred but don't own a pedigree.No proof it's a pure at all.

Amy

I want to have the best chance of defending my friend. Using pure breed dogs takes some guessing out of the equation and than you can produce the record of training etc. X breed (mix breed) first you have to defend the dogs lines and prove that there are no hidden banned breeds in the dog. Why put your self on a back foot before you start?
Artur

Hi all,
I think the laws a joke when it comes to working with dogs....
They say a dog bite is the considered the same as a gun in regards to reasonable force...
They say that you cant allow a dog to bite unless you have no option or avenue of exit.
basically you have to be backed into a corner fearing for yours and your canines life to justify a bite.... We are only supposed to be a detterent....
Insurance companies from what I know only insure dogs of the Working dog group.
Crossbreeds are not insured...
Keeping a record of all training is a great idea. I thought that any dog taught to bite had to be declared dangerous (in Victoria anyway).
I try to document everything from training to experience to cover myself as plice have dropped charges but I have still had civil suits brought against me..

regards
george

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Insurance companies from what I know only insure dogs of the Working dog group.
Crossbreeds are not insured...


regards
george[/QUOTE]

And that is the point
Artur

Originally Posted by maxpayne

A good dog is a good dog. As long as it protects the handler than what do i care what breed or what x- breed it is. so as far as the work goes, I personally do not care.

I agree with your sentiments.

Registered.
Unregistered.
Crossbred.

As long as it is well bred and can do the job then I don't care what it is, I do care where it comes from though.

In Australia there is Zero tolerance for a dog bite according to the law. Everyone knows that you can use as much reasonable force to remove people from a property or to defend life or property. Dogs are not seen as a first tier of reasonable force. I can ask some one to leave if they refuse I can force them using as much force necessary to make them comply without causing grievous bodily harm. “If “ I feel My life is threatened then I can use my dog. – what a mind field legally, realistically with a dog who dose that?

If the law is ever changed to allow security guards to use a dog to remove someone from property (and they are not threatening to assault you/harm you) then it'll be a sad day.

Far too many dickheads out there to give security guards any more rights than they have (which is none). If anything, the laws need to be strengthened especially those surrounding using force to evict people who are intoxicated.

However I am threatened to be sued almost on a weekly basis that happens in our industry. I recently was involved in dog bite where it was determined by the police to be justified. So I did not have to face charges, if I did would it have mattered if the dog was a x- breed? I do not know. How ever we are now going through a civil action. The major things that are stopping my insurance from just paying is

1. The dog is Social (when told to be)

2. There is ample video and sighted evidence of the dogs training.

3. It is possible for me to demonstrate the control on the dog.

4. The fact that the dog is Purebred and I can prove his heritage with what his characteristics usually are e.g. Pain tolerance, sociability, handler orientation etc.

So you see most people think about the aspect of what if the cops charge you? I am not scared of them I am terrified of the “No Win – No Pay” lawyers that are ready to pounce. And the fact that you might have a x-bred dog…. How much ammunition do you think that will give them?

I'm not worried about being sued at all, and I own an unregistered GSD. I know the laws, I know when I can and can not use my dog. I know when I can allow him to bite and when I can not. Once my dog and I am deployed we will be carrying a small portable video recorder (hidden in a pen) and filming any incidences to prove I acted within the bounds of the law.

I don't think having an x-bred/unregistered dog will come into it at all. My works insurance company covers my GSD and it is unregistered/unpapered.

ETA: I only quoted you as you bought up everything I wanted to say already :P

Just out of curiousity now, does anyone have any proof that being a pedigree dog it makes it any harder to prove that your bite was justified? Do the courts look at your dogs history? Surely they don't, surely all you have to prove is that the bite was justified and maybe some evidence that you've undertaken extensive training. I really don't see how breed would come into it.

I doubt the law really cares what breed your dog is. It's the carrying out of your duties legally and in an acceptable manner, is what counts. Also a proof of control via training records and video of dog working and showing control by the handler.

Originally Posted by Top Dog

I doubt the law really cares what breed your dog is. It's the carrying out of your duties legally and in an acceptable manner, is what counts. Also a proof of control via training records and video of dog working and showing control by the handler.

I tend to disagree as we have breeds that are banned and when it comes to liability people that want to bring you down will look for every avenue available to them. So if you have a pure breed dog I think that it takes that aspect away from it, I guess it is like having strong foundation, no good having all the training if your foundation will not support it.