Thread: looking for old Victorian, Security line semen

Originally Posted by Non Classical Dogs

[FONT=Arial]Hi all,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]I think someone has blown their anal glands here. All I did was state the facts and truths for all to know and not let people just read about rumours and heresay.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]How can you compare Dares (again it is spelt with a S and not a Z) you did not even know him or seen or personally work him So how can you compare? If you are only basing it on one video footage, I recommend you see the rest and to also take into the account all the critiques and comments about Dares by some of the best people in the world. At least I took him out there. I enjoy my dogs and I enjoy the sport.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Did you attend the Sgt Donn Yarnall seminar, Dr Stewart Hilliard seminar, Lance Collins seminar, Bernhard Flinks seminar etc……… No you were not there. So your remarks about the Dr Stewart Hilliard seminar are all rumours and heresay. I attended all of these seminars and I know what I saw and heard. In reference to anal glands again I was there and you were not. The dogs before Nero never received a comment about any anal glands other than the time that Dr Stewart Hilliard was working Nero. Dr Stewart Hilliard called it as he smelt it so how can a human smell blown anal glands 5-10 minutes later – come on Miles just accept the truth. This is fact and all on tape – just post it Miles. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]I congratulate and take my hat off to everyone that takes their dog out in the public arena, being either for any seminar or on the schutzhund field for all that attend to see, critique and scrutinise.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Miles wrote: Your 15 minutes claim of fame came from Security Taranaka and one import. Again how many litters have you had and I know that not all dogs were on breeder’s terms in those days. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Evan writes: 15 minutes of fame? I do not claim that I am the best and that I have the best. How many times do I have to answer you about having litters. You have to refer to previous posts Miles. You should take my advice to write less and read more. I am not out to prove anything to anybody – I do not see any reason to do so.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Miles wrote: Oh and your import Darez was bought ready and he wasn’t that even ready when watching the videos.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Evan writes: Dares ready? At least I took him out there and exposed him for all to see and not in a big shed behind closed doors. You will never realise this until you compete in IPO and this is probably too much for you again. It takes a non classical dog to compete in IPO and security, So Miles, this is all I am saying to you. So whether for you Dares did not cut it, each to their own. There were also other imported dogs that were ready but did not compete, and their excuse is that they were not interested in IPO. Why? Because they have not got the knowledge and experience to go out there and DO IT and put the dog and their own reputation on the line, but instead it is done behind closed doors where only invited people see what they do.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]I challenge all people with their ready dogs to go out there and do what I have done with Dares. But I know, you will come back with “I am not interested IPO” then you should not put down the dogs that do schutzhund and say they are not ‘for real’ where you have no idea what you are talking about.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Miles wrote: You question Nero's grips, at least he had some grip on the man It seemed full enough to me and perhaps if my memory serves me right more so than Darez.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Evan writes: You should post the video Miles for ALL to see to make up their own minds. In reference to your memory, you only see what you want to see and then make comments, because Dares’ grips were much fuller than Nero’s. Nothing is further from the truth, post the video. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Miles wrote: Also are you saying Security Taranaka (Classical) was no good in comparison to Darez (Non Classical)? You have semen from both from what you claim, but why keep the Classical dog semen if you prefer the other or are you just saying you have semen, but really don't from the rumours I hear.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Evan writes: I NEVER said that Security Taranaka was no good in comparison to Dares. I only said what I PREFER. That is why I have kept the semen from both and I will one day use both. Again Miles, more rumours, is this what you base ALL your experience on?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Question for Miles:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]I have asked you about your pup’s pedigree papers and their legitimacy but you have made no comment. You seem to have asked me a lot of question about my dogs and I have not hesitated in answering all your questions with facts but you have avoided my question to you. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Who is the REAL father to your future puppy?[/FONT][FONT=Arial] Please let me know. You bring up the word “legit” a lot in your previous posts – how about your back yourself up and let me know who is the real legit father of your future puppy[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: [/FONT][FONT=Arial]In regards to the Don Yarnell seminar.....well from what I hear that was a load of s..t and just promoted Von Forell dogs and canned any other dogs not associated and I know Dares was used by KK so hype up his dogs. Funny how there was no footage of Steve's dogs coincidently on that seminar...[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: You were not there Miles…… Again no facts to your statement, just rumours and heresay. Steve K’s dogs ARE on the video. So, Why was it s..t? You are questioning Sgt Donn Yarnell just like you question Dr Stewart Hilliard. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]At the Sgt Donn Yarnall seminar the stakeout test was not about trained dogs and what it could do nor how well it could bite. It was about the genetic makeup of each individual dog. It was a test to see what each and every dog had or did not have and how well his recovery time was. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Clearly Nero did not cut it that day, his genetics showed through. This was spoken about in full detail at the seminar for about 30 minutes. He used Dares as an example of what genetics is and what training is. It is called “involuntary response”.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Von Forell dogs? Again rumours Miles, no facts to back yourself up. Dares was used by KK once, unfortunately did not take, but this mating occurred way after the seminars and never was I approached by KK to use Dares before any of the seminars. By the way, I refunded in full, all the money KK paid. I did not even keep a service fee. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Hype up his dogs? Miles just accept the truth. Please list, buy the tapes and see for yourself. Note for the list: At the Sgt Donn Yarnall and Dr Stewart Hilliard seminar, there were two camps, security and security/IPO people. On the tapes they talk about one camp vs other and guess what? The security/IPO people came up ahead. They talk about the grips and the training about my Dares (security/IPO) vs security. All this is documented on the two tapes. I highly recommend to people that are interested, to purchase these tapes. These tapes are available for all to see.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Unfortunately, there were technical difficulties at the Dr Stewart Hilliard seminar and there were technical problems with the Sgt Donn Yarnall seminar, I had no involvement nor was I involved with International Canine Events, just an outsider and paid for each seminar that I attended in full. But Miles, when Sgt Donn Yarnall critiqued Nero, which is on tape for all to see and hear. That is what facts are about and not rumours and heresay. Here again you are questioning the renowned Dr Stewart Hilliard and Sgt Donn Yarnall, What gives you the right. What makes you more qualified than them? Again, you did not even attend any of these seminars. While you are posting the Dr Stewart Hilliard video, post the Sgt Donn Yarnall one as well for all to see. Post the Sgt Donn Yarnall critique of Nero and also about Dares – in its entirety. Then the people on list will have facts in front of them and not your interpretation of events and they can make up their own mind.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]I have no hesitation in believing that my Dares would have and did (fyi) protect me or my family when the need arose.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Evan[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]www.lexicon.net/vonultimate[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial]Evan,[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]I am comparing dareS from what I can see. Not that hard to see what’s on camera. If im not allowed to express my views and opinions, well who the hell are you? That’s good to see you are enjoying the SPORT. The Sport has missed you dearly and its great to see you taking out so many titles *cough* . Who really wants titles anyway, what are they ? just bragging rights which are endorsed by own clubs running their own trials etc. all political. Do the police title their dogs? Do the RAAF title dogs? How about the Prisons? Oh and the Security Sector? NO! All titled dogs patterned train. routine after routine(As seen on TV)[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]No I did not attend the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Sgt Donn Yarnallr, Dr Stewart Hilliard seminar, Lance Collins seminar, Bernhard Flinks[/FONT][FONT=Arial]seminars, And just because you did and It does not make you an expert!! Ok lets say that it was Nero that farted like you claim, did he not bite the sleeve? dareS didn’t fart and yet still did not bite! Can’t you accept that? dareS did not BITE oh and he is also titled!![/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Like I said in previous posts Im not interested in the sport! All my work has been is in the security sector! My dogs are ready and challenged. They are out there and standing tall on the street. If you know that ill come back with ‘Not interested in Sport’ why ask? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]You don’t even have the knowledge, as I said you imported a dog that was ready! Did you train him? answer NO! And your first dog was also titled by the previous owner! Your claim to fame is zero… Ive trained my own dogs and done what ive done with them! Bred several litters here and there, not ever for making money but to share what genetics I have (wether good or bad). Several pups are in full service with the police and prisons! [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]The real and LEGIT father to the pup im getting is SECURITY LEX. Pedigree can be found in Steve’s www. This dog left us behind many years now and looking forward to having something directly out of him. There is other progeny of him around and great dogs they are. Some trained some raw! All real and tough dogs.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]There will never be unity in the dog world as there are too many hidden agendas. I have never said I know it all! All I have done is speak my mind. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Its also good to hear that you BELIEVE that dares would protect you or your family! I do not have to believe, its fact that my dogs will protect me and my family! Not many people in the dog world can say that!!! [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Miles D….[/FONT]

Originally Posted by Non Classical Dogs

The post I have posted to Miles also now refers to you too. I have worked security and done IPO - have you? I have worked with classical and non classical dogs.

I would also like to say "each to their own"

Evan
www.lexicon.net/vonultimate

Evan,

Whatever you have with Miles you have with Miles. I did not join this forum to argue. I am here to express my opinion, listen to other people, help other people where I can, all giving a positive experience on the forum. If you cannot handle the opinion of somebody else, then maybe a forum is not for you.

You are not the only one who knows something about dogs. Just because I have not done IPO doesn't mean I don't know what I am looking for in a dog, right or wrong it's an opinion.

I am happy to have a DISCUSSION with anybody on the forum regarding classical and non classical. When somebody disagrees there is a right way to say it in order to not offend.


Drayke.

Hey guys

This thread hasn't gone to what I would consider past the point of "lively" discussion. But it is definitely heading that way.

We are all passionate about our views, but we must at times get to a point that we "agree to disagree" with anothers views and move on... Hashing over and over the same points of view to get our point across and to convince others that our view is the correct one in the end achieves nothing...The subject and beliefs just become more and more inflamed.

Lets cool this thread down a bit.. Or I'll have to close it.

I find all the points of view very interesting, lets not start making this a personal vendeta thread.

Cheers

Originally Posted by Miles

Enaaaaaaaa.

Few posts back you were trying to sell me a pup and you have taken the back seat in the most recent posts and you should probably continue to do so. your input in this has no impact what so ever! I don't have to prove anything to you! who are you anyway.. I didn't start the thread on 'looking for old Victorian, security line semen' I saw your thread you started and threw my 2 bobs worth in. you have provided no advice and support what so ever in this topic! and you don't have to read this! i have what I have and have done what i have. doubt you have done much anyway... the old school lines are not for anyone , not many people can handle them! You keep looking for your old Victorian semen.. My Security Lex pup is on the way... and I aint here to sell pups to anyone , I am not the one breeding that litter ! I didnt attack any individual , all i did was compare two dogs! am i not allowed to public my own opinions? of course i am!!!

Dont associate me to any scumbag in melbourne , im more than happy to give you my full contact details and discuss what ever you want, have nothing to hide.. FYI my full name is Miles Decko..

Thank you for your reply, Miles. And to correct you, I never was going to sell you a pup. I still don't know who you are, but a name. Others might know your name.
Here I have asked about bloodlines to know what is out there that I might want to use, not to get into a fight over, and I don't recall ever saying I had puppies for sale to anyone here.
I was looking for positive or negative feedback on dogs. I didn't ask for the crap you have put, and it is that because I find it negative.......
The reason I sat back is because there are others better in the know that are telling you things and you're not hearing ( I am). From all that I am learning more, so your crap hasn't been wasted.
The thing is people wont answer what I've asked if they have to go through pages of the same crap. Then to have your say about other dogs, where are your qualifications, oh an old man and 10 yrs of dogs. What makes you want to out do people and have the best. I don't want to contact you, there are others on this site who are proven to know what they are talking about, I'd call them if I need advice thanks.

It is fine you want to get a pup from whom every you want, and I hope it all goes good. That I'd love to hear about, if you do get one then you might know first hand about that breeding.

I know a lot of dog people in Melbourne and most are great people, don't know any scumbags.

You got on this thread to let us know you where buying a pup and waiting on Steves reply, then suddenly you became an expert on the lines, once you knew you where in the running for one you have become the know it all, without any reason why I should listen. And considering I want to see if something useful has been put on because it is my intrest, I will keep coming back to this thread.

Horses for courses guys, I have owned and bred Security and Vonkaiserhof dogs for the last 15years, I have also owned and bred imported lines. There is no comparison between the two. Lets face it you either want a plaque on the wall showing that you can train and handle a sport dog and for some that may be what they want, and others who are putting their lives at risk with street scum bags with guns and knives. Some dogs look the part and some dogs are the part. The problem with sport dogs is the reality factor, when these dogs are used in the real world they are unable to cope with the reality factor and that its not a game. I have worked both sorts of dogs on the street and have always come back to the old lines. You cant train a dog to have a heart, that my friends is inate. The people that pick the high prey drive dogs, that are hard to live with, in my opinion, like the police etc only do so for the ease of trainability and to the novice person these dogs look the real deal but surprise when the s**t hits the fan and you are standing alone no amount of training will help you if your dog is expecting this to be a game. Put me down for a Lex pup, Norse pup, Boss pup any day they say size does not matter but hell yeh it does.

You say you are looking for the old lines what are you looking for exactly which dogs there is semem out there but any one with any brains will use it for themselves and smile I do.

Originally Posted by Miles

[FONT=Arial]Evan,[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]I am comparing dareS from what I can see. Not that hard to see what’s on camera. If im not allowed to express my views and opinions, well who the hell are you? That’s good to see you are enjoying the SPORT. The Sport has missed you dearly and its great to see you taking out so many titles *cough* . Who really wants titles anyway, what are they ? just bragging rights which are endorsed by own clubs running their own trials etc. all political. Do the police title their dogs? Do the RAAF title dogs? How about the Prisons? Oh and the Security Sector? NO! All titled dogs patterned train. routine after routine(As seen on TV)[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]No I did not attend the [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Sgt Donn Yarnallr, Dr Stewart Hilliard seminar, Lance Collins seminar, Bernhard Flinks[/FONT][FONT=Arial]seminars, And just because you did and It does not make you an expert!! Ok lets say that it was Nero that farted like you claim, did he not bite the sleeve? dareS didn’t fart and yet still did not bite! Can’t you accept that? dareS did not BITE oh and he is also titled!![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Like I said in previous posts Im not interested in the sport! All my work has been is in the security sector! My dogs are ready and challenged. They are out there and standing tall on the street. If you know that ill come back with ‘Not interested in Sport’ why ask? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]You don’t even have the knowledge, as I said you imported a dog that was ready! Did you train him? answer NO! And your first dog was also titled by the previous owner! Your claim to fame is zero… Ive trained my own dogs and done what ive done with them! Bred several litters here and there, not ever for making money but to share what genetics I have (wether good or bad). Several pups are in full service with the police and prisons! [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]The real and LEGIT father to the pup im getting is SECURITY LEX. Pedigree can be found in Steve’s www. This dog left us behind many years now and looking forward to having something directly out of him. There is other progeny of him around and great dogs they are. Some trained some raw! All real and tough dogs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]There will never be unity in the dog world as there are too many hidden agendas. I have never said I know it all! All I have done is speak my mind. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Its also good to hear that you BELIEVE that dares would protect you or your family! I do not have to believe, its fact that my dogs will protect me and my family! Not many people in the dog world can say that!!! [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Miles D….[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana]Cheap shots will not detract from the issue under discussion[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: I am comparing dareS from what I can see. Not that hard to see what’s on camera. If im not allowed to express my views and opinions, well who the hell are you?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: What I posted were facts, facts and facts and not rumours or heresay. I spelt it out for you. You have a problem with facts, then build a bridge and if you cannot get over it, I suggest you jump off it!!!![/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles, you did compare but also criticised Dares when you said “the proof is in the pudding”. As I told you in my previous email, how can you compare Dares from just one video footage. Dr Stewart Hilliard critiqued Dares after that session, which is also on camera (I quoted Dr Hilliard word for word). I am not and have never proclaimed that I am an expert. The EXPERTS all gave their opinions about Dares and ALL is documented on tape[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Post the tapes Miles, like you said you would – for all to see and make up their own mind……Remember to post both, Dr Stewart Hilliard and Sgt Donn Yarnall when both dogs, Nero and Dares are critiqued.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: The Sport has missed you dearly and its great to see you taking out so many titles *cough* . Who really wants titles anyway, what are they ? just bragging rights which are endorsed by own clubs running their own trials etc. all political. Do the police title their dogs? Do the RAAF title dogs? How about the Prisons? Oh and the Security Sector? NO! All titled dogs patterned train. routine after routine(As seen on TV)[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]If YOU do not like titles, then DO NOT criticise the people that do it and do not criticise what you have no idea about. You seem to lack the basic understanding of the sport of any type, French ring, NVBK, KNPV, Mondio Ring. For those, which naturally includes yourself, you never successfully trained a dog to ANY standard. Routine Routine is done in every sector. Don’t you do routine? [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Do the police title their dogs? YES, they do. The Police Dog Trials – I have gone and seen this done in Australia. You seem to have many problems and issues Miles. Police Dog Trials are conducted all over the World – what you are talking about? The minimum standard for a police dog in Holland is KNPV1 – is this not a title? Don’t we also have the WPO, DPO? You show that you do not know very much and again Miles, I am NO expert but I do get out and know what is going on – maybe you should take you own advice and get out more yourself!![/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]If titles mean nothing, then why do you and others keep advertising that your dogs are schutzhund titled if they are so worthless? To brag!!!!!!! Or just to make you and the dogs LOOK good!!!!! The difference with IPO people is that they go out there and trial for all to see.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: , Ok lets say that it was Nero that farted like you claim, did he not bite the sleeve? dareS didn’t fart and yet still did not bite! Can’t you accept that? dareS did not BITE oh and he is also titled!![/FONT][FONT=Verdana]

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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: I did NOT claim that Nero “farted” It is on tape (but you have not posted that yet, I wonder why…..) Dr Stewart Hilliard said it as he smelt it “Someone blew their anal glands over here”. Very different to your interpretation of a “fart” Now again with your cheap shots, I never said anything to you about Dares’ titles, or claimed anything about Dares’ titles, all I said is that I enjoy the sport. I spoke about non classical and what the international guests said about Dares.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] But you seem unable to accept the opinions of others, not my opinion, but the opinion of various expert international guests but instead you take cheap shots with nothing to backup your statements. Someone had already tried to slag Dares a few years ago in exactly the same manner in which you have done…., but I thank this forum and also Mark Singer that the truth for all to read is now available for all to read. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: Its also good to hear that you BELIEVE that dares would protect you or your family! I do not have to believe, its fact that my dogs will protect me and my family! Not many people in the dog world can say that!!! [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]

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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes; Miles, you should again take my advice and read more, write less because what I said was I have no hesitation in believing that my Dares would have and did (fyi) protect me or my family when the need arose. I used the word DID which means (educational session here) Dares DID protect when the need arose. Miles you are so full of it!!!!!! If you believe that only your dog and not many other dogs will protect family members – many breeds will protect no matter what!!!! You do not have to be in the dog world for your dog to bite to protect a family member. The last statement by you is the mentality I have heard all too many times.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: If you know that ill come back with ‘Not interested in Sport’ why ask? [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]You don’t even have the knowledge, as I said you imported a dog that was ready! Did you train him? answer NO! And your first dog was also titled by the previous owner! Your claim to fame is zero… Ive trained my own dogs and done what ive done with them! [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: I wanted to show all the list members that what I wrote and what you responded with, were exactly what I had said. If I imported the dog ready, there were also other dogs that were ready, but some were too afraid to bring their dogs out to compete. As least I went out there for all to see, criticise and scrutinise. That means much more than just a title. You say that you have trained your own dogs – IN WHAT? Whatever I did with my dogs is to take them out for all to see and not behind closed doors. For better or worse, my dogs are not programmed heroes, but out there for all to see. I do not claim to any fame. You are the person who wrote that, not me so obviously you are threatened by my experience and knowledge and do not know how to handle this but to just take cheap shots at me and my dogs. The owner of Nero actually approached me at the Bernard Flinks seminar and said “I love Dares’ aggression” and also said to me “What are you going to do with Dares now that he is older, are you going to sell him?” [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]You have turned this discussion very nasty Miles when you are presented with facts. A typical classical response and the mentality I see so very often when people are presented with facts. You do not how else to defend yourself but come back to attack. You are certainly showing your true colours and maybe this forum is not for you. This forum is about discussion, support and advice to others on the forum but you started this by undermining the people and their dogs that do the sport. Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinion, but NOT attacking people in the process in which you have done. I have gone on to defend my dog and IPO because you degrade and criticise both and I knew I would eventually get the TRUE you. To coin an old cliché, opinions are like arseholes, everyone’s got one.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]If my claim to fame is zero, then yours must be much lower in the food chain![/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]You still have not answered my question. I had asked you for your interpretation (in your own words) of what you think a non classical dog is. No answer from you Miles. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]The real and LEGIT father to the pup im getting is SECURITY LEX. Pedigree can be found in Steve’s www. This dog left us behind many years now and looking forward to having something directly out of him. There is other progeny of him around and great dogs they are. Some trained some raw! All real and tough dogs.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: You have been brainwashed in believing that the REAL father is who you say he is. You are twisting words here so I will spell this out to you. Who is the legit father of SECURITY LEX and what is his pedigree?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Miles wrote: [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]There will never be unity in the dog world as there are too many hidden agendas[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: It has been the norm for over a decade, the same attitude does not change You much understand, I myself worked in security with my dogs from the age of 21 and I worked the streets with my dogs and I enjoyed working all the old dogs but the mentality of the security sector unfortunately has not changed in over a decade. They believe their dogs and their training is better I know the IPO people have a shift but the security sector people are more stubborn and I put this down to lack of exposure of IPO training methods in others and the quality of dog they seek. You have all the experts, not me, saying that it can be done, that you can have a dog to do both. An example Stormfronts Brawnson and I only use Brawnson because he is well known. My friend in America Paul Howell has imported hundreds on dogs for the police department and yes, these dogs were titled in IPO. I am not saying titles prove the dog, we must look deeper into the type of dog and I have found that a non classical dog can do both. So if I come across strong, that is my passion and my frustration. Now if you still want to go ahead and scrutinise and put down the IPO dogs and me, that is fine, you have a right to do so but I will defend it tooth and nail. If you cannot accept this, read the end of the third paragraph. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]At the end of the day, people like Sgt Donn Yarnall, Dr Stewart Hilliard said “Dares is far more superior to Nero”. Miles that is all that counts!!!!! You said my claim to fame is zero, with all due respect, you must be a complete washout.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]www.lexicon.net/vonultimate[/FONT]

Originally Posted by Drayke

Evan,

Whatever you have with Miles you have with Miles. I did not join this forum to argue. I am here to express my opinion, listen to other people, help other people where I can, all giving a positive experience on the forum. If you cannot handle the opinion of somebody else, then maybe a forum is not for you.

You are not the only one who knows something about dogs. Just because I have not done IPO doesn't mean I don't know what I am looking for in a dog, right or wrong it's an opinion.

I am happy to have a DISCUSSION with anybody on the forum regarding classical and non classical. When somebody disagrees there is a right way to say it in order to not offend.


Drayke.

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[FONT=Verdana]You came on this forum and expressed Miles’ opinion not your own opinion and since it was his opinion you expressed, I referred you to the post I sent to Miles.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]You should direct your remarks to Miles when you say “when somebody disagrees there is a right way to say it in order to not offend” because I am not the one who started attacking people. I am just defending and stating the truth and facts when only lies, rumours and heresay are posted on the forum.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]The people on this list should be made aware of what is true and correct[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Drayke wrote: I beleive the non classical dog is better for sport but my interest is in the security sector where you need a dog that wants the man, not the sleeve so much.

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[FONT=Verdana]Evan writes: I knew by your sentence what you are trying to imply that is why I asked you if you had done IPO. In reference to non classical dogs being more for the sport, I disagree with you. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]A non classical dog, as stated and proven by Sgt Donn Yarnall and Dr Stewart Hilliard, a non classical dig is not just for the sport. Now you must understand why I said what I said.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Welcome to the list.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Evan[/FONT]
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Ok Guys.. enough said now .. This thread now offers nothing constructive to the forum

This thread is closed.