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    Different Types of Shepherds

    This is going on from the Dutch Shepherd topic.
    Im looking into getting a Shepherd, and now that i know of all the different types, i have to figure out which way to go so i can then find breeders.
    Ok from what i know (which is not much) there are
    DDR Sheps
    German Sheps (GSD)
    Dutch Sheps
    Czech Sheps
    Belgians Sheps (Mal, Groe ect)
    Are there any more variations??
    Can we get all of these "variaties" in Australia??
    Are the quality of these breeds good in Aus??
    And what are the different personality traits between them??
    Is it possible to approach the police force / military about what lines / breeder they use??
    Can you reccomend any good breeders to talk too??

    Sorry for all the questions, i know this is asking alot, but as im probably going to be on a waiting lsit for a VERY long time i need to make the right decsion.

    thanks heaps in advanced, it is greatly appreciated.
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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Jess
    the DDR and Czech are GSD, but used to describe bloodlines and selection by location, not separate breed or variety.
    The range of GSD in Aus is of course very wide from total show lines to dedicated breeders of sport dogs and some stout working lines.

    The Belgian Shepherd which includes varieties Groenendale , Tervuren, lakenois and the most used for work Malinois. He is also known in some parts of the world as the Mechalaar. http://www.mystiquemalinois.com/about.htm a nice history link.
    The Mal is available here also in a range from straight show through to working lines and KNPV type.

    The Dutch Shepherd or Hollandse herder, comes in 3 coats, short long and wire, make up the fewest in number and not many available in Aus as yet, and is sometimes looked at as a midpoint between the GSD and the Mal. http://www.ck9sas.com.au/ourdogs.htm an Aust link.

    It is said that the Dutch, Belgian and German Shepherd dogs resemble each other and are closely related. The differences, especially between the Dutch and Belgian, are very small. Sometimes people say that the difference is artificial and they really belong to the same breed.

    The Belgian Shepherd dog comes from the Northern provinces of Belgium which borders the province of Nord-Brabant in the Netherlands. It is said that the Shepherds from the Netherlands and Belgium had crossed the borders and a significant relationship developed through the centuries. At present there is a greater difference between the Dutch and Belgian Shepherd, but at one point they may have been varieties of the same breed. Now breeders speak more of the differences than the resemblances. At this time the most notable difference between the Dutch and Belgian Shepherd is the color. At one point in time there were fawn Dutch Shepherds along with the many different color brindles seen today. This is shown in the Kennel Club Belge stud book 1933 to 1937. There is a preference for a black mask, but not necessary.

    l would add the Beauceron, though they are not availabe in Aus as yet, The Beauceron is a French herding dog, also known as the Berger de Beauce, the Bas Rouge, and also French Shorthaired Shepherd.
    Very versatile, the Bas Rouge (“Red Stocking') was once used to hunt boar. It served in both World Wars as a messenger dog, , a supply dog, , and in detection of mines and rescue of the wounded. Additionally, the Beauceron has strong herding traits and capability.
    l have seen a few good working representatives of this breed overseas.
    Lots to study and think about if you head down the trail of the working dog. Tony

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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Thanks heaps for that, im looking at the website now.

    as too the Beauceron, i have spoken to Ivan Balabanov about them a couple of times, and i've decided when i get enough money and time that im going to try and see about importing them into Aus. i started up a thread in another dog forum and found a couple of people who, one day, would also be willing to import them with me. i have madly fallen in love with this breed and am very angry and disappointed that such a wonderful breed has not yet been introduced here. i kinda hope someone beets me to the punch though with importing one. i wouldn't have a clue what to do.

    thank you again for your help, i have spent most of today looking around for breeders, and have found a few good ones through Aus schutzhund club, but as most do not have websites i've got a lot of phone calls ahead of me
    Cheers, Jess

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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Feel free to pass on the breeders you find If that's OK. I'm researching too.
    "Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim"
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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    ATM im looking into DDR/czech lines these are what i've found so far, im not looking deeply into them right now. right now im just getting names.
    Most of these are from SCHUTZHUND AUSTRALIA INC. go to about us on there web page then down the bottom there's the breeders pages. (its a PDF)

    http://www.jasada.com.au

    http://www.users.bigpond.com/kampk9/index.htm

    http://www.lexicon.net/vonultimate/default.htm

    Cendraise German Shepherds

    Vonroseblick German Shepherd Kennel

    http://www.kizarhaus.com

    http://www.nordenstamm.com

    Raennik Working German Shepherds - http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/lenblunt/

    Chakoonya German Shepherds

    BROOKSVALE KENNEL (i love their pic of the male, with the big tongue)

    Regal Haus

    http://www.vonammerberg.com/



    Let me know what you think, and of the ones you find. update with any info you have please. it'll be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers, Jess
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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Gosh it's hard to know! I think I'm going to ask around and go on personal recommendations, and try to see some dogs from their kennel if possible.

    I'm pretty sure I know where to go if I decide on a Malinois, but there are so many Shepherd breeders out there, almost don't know where to start! Dutchies look cool too but I've never met one in real life and along with the link in post above, I've only found one other breeder of them in Australia.
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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Yeah the Dutchs look good, but im leaning more towards the DDR/Czech lines if i dont just get a "normal" GSD.
    the problem with shepherds, compared to dobies, is there are so many of them. with the dobes they all know each other and its easier to learn the good and bad of the kennels if there is only5 or so of them.
    Cheers, Jess

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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Are Dutchies eligible to do SchH?
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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Hmmmmmm i never thought of that. not that i know of but i'll do some research.

    this is quoted from an American Sch club -
    Many breeds now participate in addition to GSDs. While there may be individual dogs of a particular breed that may be suitable for the work, the following are most consistently able to perform: GSDs, Belgian Malinois, Doberman Pinscher, Bouvier des Flandres, Rottweiler, Tervuren, Boxer, Giant Schnauzer, etc. Generally, these are larger working breeds with strong prey and defense drives, and temperaments suitable for the tasks of the training.

    im still looking for aus rules. i'll edit my post when i find out.

    this is from an Australian website -
    BREEDS ELIGIBLE FOR SCHUTZHUND TRAINING
    German Shepherd Dog, Boxer, Dobermann, Rottweiler, Giant Schnauzer, Airedale Terrier, Bouvier Des Flandres, Hovawart, Belgian Shepherd (Groendael, Malinois, Tervueren, Laekenois), Berger de Beauce, Berger de Brie, Berger Des Pyrenees A Face Rase, Berger Des Pyrenees A Museau Normal, Berger Picard, Lapinkoira, Suomenpystykorva.
    Cheers, Jess

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    Re: Different Types of Shepherds

    Hey Jess,

    Those Dutch Shepards and the French ones sound and look real good. Pity we do not have more of them in Oz. This is a very good breeder of working Shepards and Dobermans vonforell.com

    As for the Schutzhund breeds, the Americans have two clubs.....one allows in all breeds, one allows only the tradditional ones. In Europe it is only the tradditional breeds and because Australia now follows the EU rules we also have the traditional breeds. About a year ago, I approached a Sch club and asked them to allow the American Bulldog. They said I was more than welcome to join and train with them, but they would have to take it to the National Council to allow them to compete. They did this and said they would change the constitution to allow the AB, but then nothing ever happened. I think they had more on there plate at the time, legal wise, than worrying about a new breed adittion. I have now decided to go down the K9 prosports line anyways. The point I am making is that you can ask them to allow the Dutch Shepard, and I dare say they will, especially as it is a European breed.

    Cheers

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