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    New Dangerous Dog Laws

    Here is the start of the new dangerous dog laws in Victoria.


    It's the end for unregistered pit bull terriers in Victoria | Herald Sun

    The Baillieu Government today will rush new laws through Parliament to arm council officers with the powers they need to seize and destroy unregistered restricted-breed dogs.

    The move comes a fortnight after a pit bull cross ran into a Brimbank home and mauled four-year-old Ayen Chol to death.

    Municipal Association of Victoria president Bill McArthur this morning welcomed the new laws, saying local government had been a strong advocate for tougher restrictions.

    "The cross breeds have always been a problem,’’ Cr McArthur said.

    "You can’t always rely on the look and you haven’t been able to rely on people being honest when they register their animal.



    "The definition that has been proposed I think will make it far easier for councils."

    Ayen's father, Mawien Chol Monjang, yesterday welcomed the crackdown.

    "I don't want any other child to be attacked by a dog again ... it gives me some peace of mind. I have another two boys and I need them to be safe," he said.

    A new set of identification guidelines spelling out exactly what is regarded as a pit bull or pit bull cross will stop owners claiming their dogs belong to different breeds.

    An amnesty allowing pit bull and restricted dog owners to notify authorities of their pets will end on September 30.

    From that day, dog inspectors will have the authority to destroy any unregistered dog fitting the pit bull description.

    From today members of the public can "dob in a dangerous dog" through a $100,000 hotline to help council officers identify potential dangers hidden in their neighbourhoods.

    The Baillieu Government is in talks with the Municipal Association of Victoria about hiring extra animal officers to track down potential killers.

    Agriculture Minister Peter Walsh said the changes will close a legal loophole and ensure pit bull crosses are included on the dangerous dogs register for the first time.

    "Owners of pit bulls and pit bull crosses will have one month to ensure their dogs are listed on the dangerous dog register," he said.

    "If these dogs are not registered by September 29, council officers will have the power to seize and destroy them."

    With the Opposition already indicating it will support a strengthening of the restricted breeds legislation, Parliament should pass the Coalition's Domestic Animals Amendment Bill by tomorrow.

    All Victorian pit bulls and crosses must be identified on the restricted breed register.

    Dogs on the register must be microchipped, desexed, kept in a secure yard and muzzled and on a lead when in public. Owners who fail to notify authorities could have their pets destroyed from September 30.

    The Government is considering the introduction of a new crime similar to culpable driving that could see the owners of killer dogs jailed, rather than facing a maximum $4500 fine as is the case for the owner of the pit bull that killed Ayen.

    American Pit Bull Terrier Association of Australia president Colin Muir said the legislation was misguided.

    He said it unfairly focused on the look of a dog, not those that actually presented a danger to the community.

    "This is canine genocide, that is all it is," he said.

    "Since restrictions were imposed on pit bulls in 2005 there has been no reduction in overall dog attacks."

    ANYONE wanting to identify a pit bull or other dangerous dog living in their neighbourhood can call 1300 101 080 from 8am to 6pm, seven days a week.




    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/to...829-1jirb.html
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    Can someone show me a photo of that breed called pit bull mastiff mentioned in the article please

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    Not sure if you're serious Monika but a photo of that cross could look 10 different ways plus....Unless that was your point? "Dob in a dog" it could be very dangerous for all the responsible people who own dogs but the neighbour's don't like them, as it is not breed specific in article, it just said 'dogs'........More empty complaints and more shit for council workers to deal with..

    Just noticed link was edited...I suppose pitbull type however could still mean anything..
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    My point was to highlight that whoever wrote that article has no idea what breed of a dog killed that child. That general public have no idea how does a pitbull look like and that media is partially if not fully responsible for it.

    BUT

    Im happy to say that they also must do some research on DOL and maybe here as this is not the first time that something was discussed on a forum and corrected in the media.
    I posted a simmilar comment on DOL about the "pit bull mastiff" not being an actual breed.

    I recall several instances where there was an article posted on a popular forum, people would tak about it and point out the msot obvious errors and it would dissapear from the article.

    Good to see spies everwhere )))


    Now onto this


    ANYONE wanting to identify a pit bull or other dangerous dog living in their neighbourhood can call blah blah

    I wonder how many experts will there be in our society calling about some rottie cross that barks at passers by near his yard that will be identifying a dangerous pit bull.
    Very sad.....


    I totally agree with you that its very dangerous for those that are responsible and their neighbour just doesnt like their dogs.
    Just from personal experience - my dogs bark at people that walk on my street. They bark a lot and they do look agro when they do that. They are after all protecting their territory.

    About 18 months ago a woman walked pass my house when I was in my front yard and the dogs went off her from behind a gate. That is a 5ft pool type gate.
    She proceeded to tell me that "the other day" my dogs were roaming the street in the evening at a specific time of a night.
    I looked puzzled at her and said that its not possible as Im at home in the evenings and they are inside with me. Mind you given her a benefit of a doubt and asked what night and what time etc. Couldnt recall if I was indeed at home that night, so said - if I was not at home my gate is padlocked and its not possible for them to be on the streets (3 of them). She told me they obviously must have jumped the gate.
    I rolled my eyes and said - no they dont jump that gate they never have and even if they ever have, and gone on a brawl around the neighbourhood they certainly wouldnt jump back in and wait for me in the yard to get back home.

    She then told me that every time she walks pass my house they argressivelly bark at her and they are dangerous.

    Gate is two car lenghts away from the street....

    I have replaced the gate and now its a 7ft tall wooden screen, and Im sure that that my dogs were not roaming the streets, its only that she doesnt like them barking at her when she walks by my house.

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    Honestly, it is messy so many grey area's more red tape etc....

    Dogs bark, so yes we will see many innocent dogs taken due to moronic "do gooders" without a clue. I see so many wandering nasty dogs i would be on the phone all day if i took part in this operation. Any medium- large dog could be considered a pitty type. I have zero problem if they get rid of a few bad apples though, good on them cleaning up the neighbourhood's! Shame some of the crappy owner's could not also be taken.

    I find it ridiculous i will admit, when people suggest lets make the "powers that be" temperament test EVERY single dog they take.... Who is going to cover that?? Who will be qualified? Nonsense! Not everybody out in the general public gives a rats ass about dog people or dogs in general... So they (general public) will go with whatever appears to be helping rid dangerous dogs..

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    One of my GSD's fits the profile of a dangerous dog and owning him from a protection perspective has some advantages, but there are also disadvantages with the amount of training, vigilance and management owning a dog like him to prevent him attracting attention from people who can potentially cause us some grief. I don't want rangers checking out my dog, I know he wouldn't pass a temperament test and would more than likely be declared dangerous if he was put under the magnifying glass by the authorities, so I see it as my job to keep him out of the spotlight.

    I don't allow him to misbehave, bark along the fence or cause anyone reason to suspect that he may pose a threat to the community to dob me in. You can keep protection trained or reactive dogs safely without the public raising an eyelid, it's really not that hard, and if people owning dogs who are potentially dangerous and fail to manage their dogs accordingly, they only have themselves to blame for a poor outcome in my opinion.

    As far as the Pitbull thing goes, they are a restricted breed regardless if the law is right or wrong, people need to use some common sense when aquiring dogs of Pitbull appearance, personally I wouldn't touch a dog that has that appearance, purely for the fact I couldn't be bothered with the grief, I don't have people suspecting my GSD's are Pitbulls neither my Golden Retriever, no one needs a dog that looks like that, there are plenty of other breeds to choose from and if they like the Pitbull look to a major extent, they could buy a papered Amstaff and stay out of trouble.

    I don't agree with taking away a nice dog of Pitbull appearance with an established good record of sociability, that's not fair and just, but if they find nasty dogs of Pitbull appearance that lack training and handler control which are typically the type featuring in many attacks and they take those away, so be it I think?
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    You are all worrying for nothing, a dog is allowed to protect its property and is allowed to bark at strangers approaching the property, that is perfectly legal, they are just not allowed to be attack trained, they can go as mad as they want at the gate, there is no law against that , you can ring the D.P.I., and ask them for your self.
    So there is no reason for any alarm there.
    But I would be careful, as to what i say on this forum, unless your dog is registered as a dangerous dog.
    You can rest assured the relevant authorities will be out perusing all these websites looking for dangerous dogs and their owners.
    And all they need is you admitting it, because with out proof the dog is not attack trained they cannot touch you.
    The dog is allowed to be naturally protective in his own property, no law against that, I have been there and done that.

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    if they find nasty dogs of Pitbull appearance that lack training and handler control which are typically the type featuring in many attacks and they take those away, so be it I think?

    Lets just change this a bit and see how you would feel about this statement, shall we?

    if they find nasty dogs of Golden Retriever appearance that lack training and handler control which are typically the type featuring in many attacks and they take those away, so be it I think?




    Robert - good advice. I now think that it might be a blessing that my dogs are not schutzhund trained, as it would be perceived as attack training, by uneducated about the subject general public. People see a dog barking at a man with a sleave and they automatically put a label of a killer on that dog.
    I am aware taht the dogs are allowed to bark at the gate, I wanted a dog of a guarding nature thats why I got a dobermann. My dogs are deterrents and they fulfill their role perfectly. Its just some woman didnt like them barking at her, well so be it. Its like me not liking the perfume she is wearing ))

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    Ill tell you another story. My property borders with a golf course. I have a green right next to my fence, less then 5m away.
    When the golfers play on the green the dogs never bark, but once they cross that invisible line and come very close to my fence dogs go off. doG forbid someone touches my fence, thats not allowed in my dogs mind.


    So one day some golfer managed to get his ball in the bush that is right at my fence. Im in my trackies, coffe in one hand, sandwich in another, lazy weekend morning. Dogs go off. I yell out for them to be quiet they stop. But go off again. I walk out and he is hitting the fence with the golf club! Stops when he sees me. I stand there and tell the dogs to be quiet, they shut up but stand there with me, all hackled up and ready to go again. He starts to fiddle around the golf ball, raises and lowers the club. Of course when he raises the club dogs go off at him. I grab one that is most offensive (remember Im having my breakfast there, no free hands and 3 dogs) and say to the guy - OK go! He angry looks at me and says - how do you expect me to play with these things going off at me? I said - well if you didnt hit my fence pretending you are hitting them, they probably would not act that way, they have every right to protect my property. He yells at me that if I cant control my dogs I shouldnt own them!
    I said - if you cant hit the ball onto the green that is over there you shouldnt be playing golf you tool!!


    I can not count how many times I have caught golfers having a go at my dogs through the fence for barking. When I catch one doing it I always say - oh looks like you want to play with them, let me just open the gate, they can come out to say hello to you, or you can came in since you are so keen to pet them.

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    All very worring really, the problem as i see it MAY make these undesireables reg their dogs, not wanting to risk them being seized but do i think this will stop attacks, NO, also picking on one particular breed isnt going to help either, while i agree a pitty canbe a dangerous dog, over the years i have had quiet a few turn on me while bathing them for work, i always carried an sawn off axe handle incase and had to use it a few time BUT if you asked me which breed of of dog have i been bitten by more, golden retriever would be my answer, over 15 years dog grooming in auckland for one of the largest dog grooming companies, i run more of a risk getting bitten by a GR then a pitty, ok yes OSH rules we have to now muzzle all pit bull type dogs before grooming, and a lot of them i do on a regular basis are nice well behaved well trained dogs, the problem with the GR ect most are not well behaved well trained dogs,

    Years ago i was clipping a GR i had him up on the side of the trailer i was using to groom at the time, , i dropped the clippers on bending down the GR totally unprovoked attacked me, knocking me to the ground and biting my head shoulders and back, the result was 100 punctures wounds, the owner tried to blame me WTF?? which proves this dog attacks is not breed specific it is the actual dog itself regardless of breed.

    My own dogs including my schutzhund bitch are NOT allowed under any circumstances to bark at the neighbors, people walking past the property ect, but if they come down my drive well i guess the neighborhood knows i have vistors LOL, i think personally the goverment would be far better on promoting better understanding of dogs and perhaps look at registering the person rather then the dog itself, the part that pisses me off, is 9 times out of 10 they crack down on the responsible people not the ones doing it wrong
    When they brought in microchipping here in NZ they said at the time this would help with unregistered wandering dogs, dog attacks ect, has it ? NO

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