Thread: Making our communities dog safe!

At the moment, the breeding, keeping and training of dogs is basically a "free for all", anyone can do as they please for the most part and although things are not good it's not that bad either given the system works on primarily a "free for all" basis. Putting a bit of the right legislation in place in my opinion has the potential to make quite a difference I think.

All dog breeders need to be licenced I believe, have a litter without a licence means you can't advertise them for sale for starters and there is the likelyhood of getting caught with heavy fines applied. In Terms of community saftey, you can't make your own car and just pay for a set of number plates, but you can make your own dog and buy a tag from the council, it needs to be harder than that to breed dogs ligitimately.

Likewise if you want to fit another engine etc in a car, you need to make an application and often accompany with the application engineers certificates etc etc, same should apply for breeding crossbreed dogs, a licenced breeder needs to apply along with health testing, microchip numbers, tempermant tests etc etc of the intended parents with a valid reason why such a crossbreed needs to be bred, most of the crossbreeds bred today, the people breeding them wouldn't go through a procedure like this and would more encourage only genuine applications for a valid reason I think. It would also limit the random breedings that end up in shelters, people would think twice about breeding dogs who do so now simply because they can.

Same applies with the ownership of black market dogs, get caught with a dog that wasn't supplied by a licenced breeder, you loose it and is euthanased, if an unregistered dog bites someone, it's automatically a massive fine, say 20K, similar consequence if you have a prang and injure/ kill someone pissy driving, so dog owners think twice about their purchases, training and management.

The breeding situation needs an overhaul which not only addresses dangerous dogs, but puppy farmers, pet shops the whole lot, I think the licencing of breeders across the board would be a massive step forward towards reducing all the negative aspects of dogs in general.

Cheers
Nev

We can introduce new laws and practises and ban as many breeds as we want but it wont work as long as we have a limp dick penalty system.

The people owning these dogs and doing these things are not the type to stop because it is illegal. They only care about themselves, the consiquences must be higher. A little girl died as a result of someone disobeying leash and muzzle laws and it was a $4500 fine. How is that not man slaughter????????

I say introduce a new penalty system. If you are caught with a restricted breed or if your dog does something unjustified (eg attacking someone outside its own property unprovoked or attacking someones livestock etc) then you will face gaol time. NO FINES just gaol time.

If this was introduced we would see the pounds and vet offices full to the brim with dangerous dog being surrendered and uthenised.

[=Amy Pattison;18610]I agree with all points raised.

Licensing is a super concept, i would like to add(the breed warden fans should like this) No litter advertising as working dogs unless they are from PROVEN working parents not paper but ACTIVE working whether that is canine security or sleeve/suit work!! This will stop disappointed owners from taking on flops/duds and rehoming their dogs! Also bitches should be character assessed on their merits prior to matings by a breed specialist like a judge for example. 18 months on HD/ED reading/scoring.(it is very easy to wrap a puppy in cotton wool for the first 12 months) indicating excellent scores!..This gives far better picture of the quality of body.

Every home with a dog regardless of breed must have a steel dog enclosure at least 6ft all the way around.

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Hi Amy,

I agree on your points except security dogs as a proving ground for working ability purely as there is no criteria that a security dog has to pass to achieve that title. The other thing in private sector security, it's not front line defence, if the dog's a bit dicky and the situation looks a bit hot, a security person can walk away and phone the police, they are under no obligation to involve themselves or their dog in threatening situations. I would like to know how many security patrol dogs have actually had a live bite and worked in the crunch, I would think not many???. Obviously a difference would result from a security company who train their dogs properly, but not all do and many are essentially fear biters who light up fast and look the part in that line of work.

Cheers
Nev

I agree with a licensing system Mark and I wrote the same thing that the number need to be displayed in the ad as is with reptiles and birds now.It is not a hard concept but I think it should be for every one across the board breeding dogs.Becuase when applying for a licence they will have to have someone attend premises etcc ensure not everyone is granted a licence.

What you have stated about banning bully x breds is already in place with large fines attached.Has it worked yet?Even if they are banned from being advertised.How hard is it for someone to start up their own forum onlune and advertise their own dogs?the dogs are illegal to breed in my state yet go through the classifieds every day of the week and they are there.how is it possible?No policing what so ever?Blame the powers that be for that.I ask again if they are not doing it now what makes you think they will in the future?

How can you prove that a person is soley breeding protection dogs?If thery are AMSTAFFS they are legal so i doubt they will do anything.
Trainers wshould be weeding out unstable dogs and owners and I am sure they are but that comes down to every individual dog crossbred or not.

I agree with confiscation of dogs that are identified and people who fail to comply with regulations but how to prove it.There are ways to circumvent anything in life.buy a couple of corsos breed a litter of crossbreeds chip them and hang the papers on them and what have you got?Prove otherwise what they are.Thats how easy it is now and that wont change if people want to get around something.

I will say again what I said before i think training should be compulsory for everybody registering a dog in order for it to be registered and maybe the government needs to spend more on it to make sure they have people who are adequately qualified to do so and to identify dogs that may need attention.

Compulsory microchipping in every state for every dog.make vets do it when pups are brought in to be vaccinated they love your money anyway.I am sure they can come up with a chip reader that can read a chip from the street.They do it with meter readers.

[=Amy Pattison;18616]Hi Nev,

IMO, if a dog has been trained to bite properly with hidden sleeve/sleeve, is put into high stress environments etc he's proven himself enough, if the dog fizzled out on a live bite that might not happen the second time...Lighting up, showing some fight is usually enough, at the end of the day that is what my own dogs do in their backyard, however my bitch almost got a live bite at a tavern and she is not a trained sec dog but she was most happy with herself from stopping a fight with two dickheads![/]
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Hi Amy,

That's ok if it's true, but it needs to be confirmed beyond the owners interpretation as you could run a pet in security with no training at all with an incorrect temperament and officially it's a security dog. Same goes for the SA police, won't use a Malinois only GSD's most are showlines, they are police dogs, but how good are they really, do they need to be reproduced???.

I would hate to be stuck with showline police dog to stud my bitch because I am not allowed to use a super working line male from someone's back yard as he's unrecognised is what I am getting at.

Cheers
Nev

I feel sorry for the husband LOL, she goes out with her loud mouth attitude and gets him in a fight now he has to show up tomorrow to find Magilla Gorilla waiting for him.