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    Dave,

    You have ethics. You are ethical.

    A confused mind always says no, and the people that populate DOL, for the most part at least, do not understand what they are talking about. The majority are nice enough, but there are some very closed minds on there. I have had some bad experience myself for the same reason...honesty.

    Don't take it to heart mate, and it shouldn't amaze you any more mate.

    Amazing would be if it didn't happen!!!

    One user that also posts on here wrote the following on DOL: "Unless the dog has been trained to be suspicious, I wouldn't call an unsociable dog by nature a balanced breeding. I would think a breeding like that was overly sharp and border on nerve instability???. A properly bred GSD, regardless of lines, should be able to fulfill the role of a companion animal" What an absolute load of rubbish. Clearly there is some further education on the subject needed here.

    The same poster wrote these gems as well:
    The best of the high end working GSD's worldwide all have Schutzhund titles, which means they have to pass the BH. Sharp dogs fail and don't make it to first base, which ideally are not good dogs at all. Sharp and civil I don't think is a good cocktail for anything other than a yard dog IMHO" I guess it depends on the ability of the handler to control an extreme dog, and it would appear here that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Posting misinformation is dangerous to our dog owning community right now.

    "(regarding breeding for aggression) Depends how extremely you want to vary from the GSD breed standard I guess"
    Check the FCI breed standard here:
    FCI German Shepherd Breed Standard


    "Generally working litters from experienced breeders will suit any application from a pet to protection dog and the higher prey driven puppies are selected for sport" The very best candidate for either is the same extreme dog, however a dog lacking in aggression can still do quite well on the Sch field.

    "This is where it goes off track IMO because dogs that genetically light up fast are nervy dogs that lack confidence" Once again, a lack of understanding being posted as an informed opinion, and falling well short of the truth.

    CAN YOU SEE A PATTERN FORMING WITH THESE POSTS?


    "Dog's renowned for hard nerve and fighting drive are nothing like that, calm and uneffected until commanded or triggered to attack. It's a total misconception IMHO that unprovoked displays of aggression is the result of a hard nerved dog." More rubbish, just absolute tripe...I cant find words to do this rubbish justice.

    "can't see any working titles on them or professional critiques to confirm that other than someone's opinion???. Some of the best and most extreme dogs to have ever been bred in this country would never pass a BH, for a variety of reasons.

    This poster, whom I have contacted by PM to make it clear there is no personal animosity on my behalf, was a major driving force on the thread, and continued to really fuel the fire amongst a community of DOL users that lack an understanding of working canine temperament, and are scared of that which they dont understand.

    The fact is that aggression is an accurate term, and disguising it in more veiled language is just that: a disguise.

    Was it a wise choice? Probably not.
    Honest? Hell yes.

    People should read the posts, all of them. It gives a great impression of the fight we have against us.

    Someone should have posted something helpful, with a view to shutting down negative opinion and misunderstanding in the DOL thread. There was a lot of ego driven rubbish thrown around, but a clear and calming post was lacking.

    Like I said before Dave, you should only be amazed if it doesnt happen.

    Brad

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    Re: Irresponsible advertising ????

    yes you wont find anyone to take on dogs like that *hurridly makes space for a puppy*

    :P


    Someone should have posted something helpful, with a view to shutting down negative opinion and misunderstanding in the DOL thread. There was a lot of ego driven rubbish thrown around, but a clear and calming post was lacking.
    yeah cheers on that opinion there brad.

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    Re: Irresponsible advertising ????

    only kidding about the serves you right bit.



    I was not kidding about the
    "FOR FREE "
    bit however.

    in the classifieds section

    I will even let you put in a few pictures.
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    Re: Irresponsible advertising ????

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendo Vincent View Post
    Serves you right.

    You should have advertised them here. " FOR FREE " to verified members.
    Yes well said Vendo ...

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    Vendo, good form.

    Jeff, Nathan, Mark....true true.

    Lets start a new thread boys (and Julie)...

    "AGGRESSION: The dirtiest and most misunderstood word in the lexicon of dog training..."

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    Re: Irresponsible advertising ????

    The ad was worded well.

    There are some of us over there who understand.
    "Take this trouble for me: Make sure my shepherd dog remains a working dog, for I have struggled all my life long for that aim"
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    Thank you to all members here for your ongoing support. It's great to see common sense can still exist in some sectors of the dog world in this country. Thank you also Vendo, I'd love to take you up on that offer.

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    Re: Irresponsible advertising ????

    It is a standard offer. If you are verified as a member. You have given and prooven your ID to the forum and have your name on your posts then you go to classifieds and set up a new FEE AD.

    Again did I mention it is "FREE"

    I think you get 5 free every six months.
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    Hi Guys,

    Just to clear up any misconceptions regarding the DOL thread from any input that I may have had there that offended anyone, I sincerely apologise as it wasn't my intention.

    The GSD as we know has a standard and a testing process set by the SV for quality control which requires for a breeding animal a Schutzhund title, an endurance test and a breed survey conducted twice over a two year period which includes the normal health tests and a character assessment and protection routine. Unless the dog has the titles and passes the breed survey, it doesn't qualify for a registered breeding.

    In Australia, we don't have to abide by SV rule and can essentially breed what we like and register the breedings from any extreme at each end of the spectrum. As Brad mentioned, most of the extreme working dogs bred wouldn't pass a BH, under SV rule couldn't be bred either in that case.

    The concern that some had in the DOL thread was not the traits that make up an excellent working dog, but the traits that make up a correct GSD, and extremes in aggression are unlikely to pass the relevent tests with a breeding by the book standards is the angle I was personally coming from.

    I am interested to know from a working dog perspective, if some the extreme GSD's bred in this country are better workers than the Schutzhund titled dogs imported from overseas, how do our dogs rate in working performance in comparison to say Fax and Dares for example

    Cheers
    Nev.

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    Re: Irresponsible advertising ????

    "Extremes in aggression" is your phrase mate, and I'm unsure as to where you get it from? But I am interested to know; did you ever see Dares or Fax, and if so did you ever work them? Can you describe each of their drive levels for me please?

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