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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    "Yes i believe the genetics and pedigrees play a huge part, BUT as mentioned i too have seen many back yard dogs who are better workers and showlines then some true working dogs. Sad state of facts but true!. Some ppl base their breeding solely on pedigrees only.. i prefer to look past that."


    All dogs have "genetics and a pedigree".
    Genetics is the science of heredity and variation in living organisms. So even back yard dogs are made up from a combination of inherited genes.
    A pedigree is just a list of names of ancestors , they have that too , whether written down or not. Using a pedigree should involve selecting for the characteristics of each animal listed on it, not just a few "popular names" 4 generations back.

    So if you looked at a back yard dog and he was healthy and had good movement, as did his ancestors, you are using genetics and pedigree. The terms themselves are not tainted, just how modern so called breeding practices use them .
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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    I am also too lazy to write a long post this evening but pretty well what Tony said is what I would follow.
    What you breed is what you get, that may be made better or worse by nurture over nature but the basic building blocks should be there to start with.

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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    Good luck Vanessa i hope your efforts provide you with a workable litter.
    Know all about stud dog (future) with no desending testicles just desexed my future male too

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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    I thought about making a new thread but this probably comes under the same heading as put here already...

    When looking at pedigree's
    how important are actual titles to you??

    People say a good dog is a good dog and i agree.However Titled dogs are generally looked upon as better because they are proven on the day. If a super dog never titled in it's lifetime, doesn't mean it was no good means the handler didn't enter trials etc....

    For breedings people look for SCH/IPO titles, if they are not there, then for some, that is a no go, imagine all those great dogs missing out on a mating! Many of these titled dogs are trained to perform and pass high, but i dare say many wouldn't on another field etc....

    Thoughts please...

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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    ive always been told not every dog has to have a title as long as there proven workers but there must be some in there some were to show that the line is stable enough to be an all rounder
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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    Titles do play a role, initally. The program makes the dog, so if you have dog A with 5 generation of FR titles, and dog B with 5 generations of KNPV titles there will be character and conformation differences between the dogs. So for me it gives me an idea of what these dogs were bred towards.
    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Pattison View Post
    I thought about making a new thread but this probably comes under the same heading as put here already...

    When looking at pedigree's
    how important are actual titles to you??

    People say a good dog is a good dog and i agree.However Titled dogs are generally looked upon as better because they are proven on the day. If a super dog never titled in it's lifetime, doesn't mean it was no good means the handler didn't enter trials etc....

    For breedings people look for SCH/IPO titles, if they are not there, then for some, that is a no go, imagine all those great dogs missing out on a mating! Many of these titled dogs are trained to perform and pass high, but i dare say many wouldn't on another field etc....

    Thoughts please...
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    Re: Bloodline vs Individual

    For working or owning a great dog for the joy of it, the individual means everything.
    A good dog is a good dog, enough said...
    BUT...
    I wouldn't breed to a dog that was a freak if it had a terrible pedigree...for example, a strong dog from show lines carries with it tons of breeding for confirmation, so even if it throws a few strong pups the majority will throw back to the show lines from whence it came.

    Fact is the root behaviour is what tends to be the difference between luck and really good quality producers.

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