Originally Posted by Vendo Vincent Is this the same survey from where Dr Nick Branson was quoted saying that the findings of the survey were quite disturbing in the Herald Sun 2009? "Dr Branson said the collars were used as a "quick fix" to train dogs, but they did not work because dogs were unable to associate punishment with a certain behaviour." http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-...-1225797156679 I remember k909 and ...