Thread: Pushing into the bite.

I recall something about this in the Dildey DVD about teaching the retrieve. It had a reference to the bite as well. Did you see it? perhaps it can add value to your thoughts.

There is a real world reason why pushing grips are better. Its also the reason that KNPV suits are built the way they are.
When dogs get their first bites they tend to grab clothing and pull backwards, or what are called "T-shirt rippers". Lots of ripped clothing but no damage. So in the KNPV they have a suit most inline with real world clothing and they teach their dogs to push into the arm, leg whatever to make sure they infact are biting the person and not just pulling at clothing.

Originally Posted by Vendo Vincent

I have seen a few articles in magazines, also on the net, about encouraging dogs to push into the helper while on the bite as opposed to pulling back. Some articles it refers to the dog pushing into the decoy other articles it refers to the dog pushing into the grip. Depending what is being suggested is what I agree or disagree with.

The dog getting a better grip, Yes.

The dog pushing into the decoy, No. I would prefer my dogs to pull back on a bite - it seems more natural.

I was wondering if someone can shed some light on this confusing subject

The main argument for pullers is that the dog may not have a complete grip on the person as they are pulling backwards. With a pushing bite you know the dog has a grip of the person and is not just pulling back on clothing etc.

I prefer a dog to push in to the bite.

oops didn't see Chris post before I did.

Hi
Im all for a dog pushing into the bite.....
from experience it does alot more damage.....
A dog that pushes into the bite has a more crushing bite because as Nath said it is using its Molars, not its canines or incisors....
I find a dog that does this push into be more confident in his/her bitework...
Have also experienced people wrapping jackets etc around their arms to cushion the bite. this doesnt work as well with a dog that pushes into the bite

Regards
George

I find a dog that does this push into be more confident in his/her bitework...

That is a good point George, you can train any dog to pull on the bite but you cannot train dogs which are lacking confidence to push.

Vendo
Thats what it should be......
Good thread mate..

Regards
George

Originally Posted by Vendo Vincent

Ok, So in reality the subject is about a confident full mouth bite as opposed to a frontal bite? And not talking about an action after the bite. Yes?

It is about the dog having the confidence and level of training to take the fight to the bad guy.