Thread: FCI Registered Dutchies and Malis are only good for chasing tennis balls?

So in Essence one is a SPORT DOG and one is a SERVICE dog.....

Pretty simple really.People should purchase the dog for what they Require of it,simple.Though many a game based dog can work seriously and vice versa.

Tennis balls are not that great for teeth, I prefer rubber.

Cheers
Amy


I don't think it is a good Idea for such serious dogs to be in the hands of joe public that said,anybody breeding/Importing them should be extremely selective as to where they go.Any creature pure or crossed can be capable of Injury even dare I say it a show dog. Actually it is those to be all the more careful of as they do not advertise it like some folks in the working game.

To Izilop
So the answer to my question is that you have imported mix breed dogs. So why don't you tell people that they are mix breed and the only dictation that will be left is how good they are? I would like to know where have you been and how many dogs you have seen to be able to express your opinion?

[QUOTE=Delkerabo;4407]So in Essence one is a SPORT DOG and one is a SERVICE dog.....

That is what some people want you to believe because how else are you going to sell a mix breed that does not stand for anything? The only way you will sell it by making people think that it is better than a pure breed.


Artur

Izilop,

I think you are asking a very open-ended generalized question......I hate generalizations!!

I am sure there are good and bad examples of dogs in ANY breed to say one breed is better than another is a very big and far fetched statement!! Many dogs of different breeds can be good at a whole range of things......some breeds may have a bit more natural talent to do specific tasks but to say the whole breed is good or bad at something is just not right.

I am by no means an expert in these breeds and the only ones I have seen in action are the FCI Registered ones at the Southern K9 Prosports Competition. To me these dogs have lots of advantages and some disadvantages.......just like every other dog there on the day. But having said that they seem very serious when called upon and one of them did win the Patrol dog section. This dog might chase tennis balls also but he seemed pretty keen to be serious with the decoys as well.

I have not seen the KNPV unregistered dogs but I am sure there are some very good serious ones. I am looking forward to seeing them in action and comparing them to what i have seen.

I am by no means in here to take sides......I have nothing to gain in doing that.......but I do believe it is easy to generalize and everydog is different and should been taken as such.

Now this is just a suggestion, but the FCI dog owners did fly all the way down from Qld to compete and show the standard of their dogs, most people their on the day thought they were pretty capable dogs. My suggestion would be for you to travel with your dogs and show us the difference between the two types. It would be good to see them compete on a level playing field against each other to see which dog has what attributes..........the best dog will win on the day. This is not a generalization and it is a competition of one dog against another irrespective of breed.

Just my idea and suggestion of seeing what each dog is capable of.

I also agree with Delkerabo.......not everyone wants or needs a extremely high drive, dominant dog........again horses for courses and it all depends on what you want out of your dog and how it is raised and trained, let alone its genetics. Every dog in every litter shows different traits and capabilities so to generalize about breeds is way out of the question.....look at each individual dog and what it has to offer you, for what you intend to do with it. Generaliazing and argueing about breeds will not gain anything.

Cheers,

Steve

Hi all,
I am not in here to stir the pot, but need to say that dont all service dogs need to have high drives????? Chasing balls included.....
I have been overseas and seen registered and unregistered dogs. Some suit sport and some suit security. Have seen KNPV dogs registered and unregistered and cant say that one is more suited to a specific job...
Also had the pleasure of going to the Amsterdam police K9 training quarters and they use both registered and unregistered dogs. Their dogs are the real deal, all are KNPV PH1 titled.
To say that one is better at a certain job than the other is a very broad statement.....
From my experience I prefer a registered dog as I believe that genetics play a big part on work suitability. I would like to know the bloodline of the dog I work with.....

regards
George

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Originally Posted by Delkerabo

[B]So in Essence one is a SPORT DOG and one is a SERVICE dog.....



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That is what some people want you to believe because how else are you going to sell a mix breed that does not stand for anything? The only way you will sell it by making people think that it is better than a pure breed.


Artur

Yes this is what I deduce this thread to mean from the Original post by Izilop, I am taking a guess that this is what they are saying given the words in the post.






quote izilop
breeders from Europe to steer clear of the FCI registered dogs as they are a sport dog and only look good in pictures when on the sleeve because there happy playing the GAME. If i wanted a serious dog to be used for future breeding of security, protection and military dogs who would be ready to engage in any situation i should look at the Mix malinois or the mix dutchies (unregistered) dogs. These dogs are far superior at the challenges the security military and or personal protection requires. I am only stating what i was told from these pofessionals of the industry in Europe who provide elite govt depts and with well sourced dogs.


I personally agree with Steve, there are variations in a litter,so Imagine the variations across purebred bloodlines and unknown lines/breeds in a mix breed dog.Nothing is guaranteed, good and bad apples and all that.

Cheers
Amy

ETA,

I believe unregistered dogs and registered dogs are only as capable as the genetics they have been bred on, whether that be luck or deliberate cross breeding or line breeding or out crossing, it doesn't make a difference to the animal,it is a piece of paper relying on the Integrity of it's Informant. Just like FCI or ANKC Pedigree dogs.Neither matters when it comes to the crunch.

I thought that we finished with this topic but since it has reappeared i will try very civilly to make a statement that i have already said in the beginning.

I have been to Holland and I have lived and trained with the best there.

I have seen majority of unregistered dogs there and some registered one's.

Percentage wise when you look at the KNPV Numbers of dogs there are MORE UNREGISTERED PART BREAD dogs competing.

It is also a fact that Percentage wise MORE UNREGISTERED PART BREAD dogs fail the KNPV test for the fighting drive, and they are a few that i have personally seen that where chased of the field by the decoy. Some dogs that where there Part bread Mal and dutchies I wouldn't even feed they where so bad. I have seen dogs with week nerves shyness and worse then the GSD that i owned as a kid.

So I find it silly that any one can say that ALL part bread dogs are Better then the pure bread dogs.

At the same time I have seen some Pure bread registered dogs that are the MOST SERIOUS REAL AND will not back down to any one or anything.
And some like with any breed and any type with the normal problems like i mentioned above.

Over all I still think that mals are the way to go but the word mal or the word unregistered is NO guarantee of the dogs ability


it all depends on the individual dog's genetic make up, socialization and training

Don't forget that there could be differences within a litter not to mention within a breed.

It is Ludicrous to suggest that all members of one type are better then the other.

Adam