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    14 week GSD puppy way too friendly

    Hi
    I have a 14 week old GSD female. She has been to two puppy classes, which in my opinion completely ruined her and was a grave mistake. She is overly hypo when greeting other dogs and yelps and screams to go play with them when held back. She is extremely friendly towards complete strangers, she jumps up at them and tries to lick their faces and gives them greetings. The vet nurses started this by initially greeting her with high pitched voices, now she runs to everyone for attention. At home she gets plenty of attention and playtime, so their is no lacking of attention that she might be seeking out.

    The GSD I grew up with, Sanji, was a beautiful female that was unbelievably perfect, she paid no attention to strangers or other dogs or animals, we were her world and she was utterly devoted, loyal and protective.

    What can I do to make this puppy less distracted and more aloof towards strangers, she hasn't displayed any protectiveness to anything, but she is young, what age do they start showing this. Sanji was aloof and protective from and early age.

    I am sick to death of reading the general internet answer to my puppy is too friendly situations of "oh well done you have a socialised dog, and only idiots want aloof dogs". These people have no idea of working dogs. I am have a security job part time, for which Sanji would have been perfect, however this pups working prospect really concerns me.

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    Hello Sanjays Brother
    Congratulations on finding your new dog and partner in crime.
    At 14 weeks, i would concentrate on building your relationship with your pup. Exposing it in a controlled manner to every social situation you think it may have to face in the future. At 14 weeks, you only have 2 weeks left to lay down your pups socialisation training. Be your aim to have a dog that will be indiferent to other people and dogs when working, or a very friendly family pet.

    Ive owned rottweilers and GSD's but never have i owned one that would not gaurd me and mine, instinctively, yet they were all stupidly friendly pups.

    "She has been to two puppy classes, which in my opinion completely ruined her and was a grave mistake." There are varied opinions on the merit/demerits of attending so called "puppy classes". I doubt however that the impact, which by your description was a positive one for your pup, would have lasting negative effect. In what way do you fear it has ruined her?

    "She is extremely friendly towards complete strangers" Why wouldnt she be? She is completely niaive and trusting. Showing no fear and being confident, is exactly the right temperment you would want in a pup surely? Naturally inquisitiveness is a requirement of learning for your pup.

    "now she runs to everyone for attention." Are you 100% sure of her motivation for seeking socialisation is attention seeking? Could it perhaps be her natural play and pack drives? I wonder if you are imposing human attributes such as self awareness, consequential thinking, manipulation etc to certain natural drives in your dog. I doubt very much it is from any lack on your part for providing attention. But pups are gregarious and extreemly nosy creatures!

    "What can I do to make this puppy less distracted" Be patient. Baby steps. Teach each exercise precisely, consistently, and with repetition after repitition after repitition, oh and did i mention repitition? Then when you are 100% confident that you pup knows and understands an exercise taught and practices in the back yard, add distrations, eg. another dog tied up, with a family member present, at your local oval etc. Time and consistency in your methods are what develops your dogs focus on YOU. Its focus development over time that will eventually land you with a dog that doesnt react to cats running accross its path, as it cant see the cat as its watching you, waiting all a quivver for the next command, because you MIGHT, reward it with drive satisfaction. As you and your dogs relationship develop, the dog will see you as the most rewarding person to focus on. You bring it work, challenges to solve, affection and rewards. Others simply cannot compete. You will have another Sanji, but that's a adult GSD, what you have is a adorable clutz right now, who's ears are pointing in different directions, has more energy than co'ordination, and a accident waiting to happen. AKA a 14 week old GSD pup.


    There are puppy development calenders on the internet, dogs go through various developmental phases. The gaurding and dominant behaviours become far more prominent in adolesence. Around the 12 month mark for your female GSD. They also become selectively deaf at this stage too! Bear with it, get tough, and push through. Teenage angst is not just the province of human house mates, believe me. You will need to of done thorough basic training with your dog before it hits the Adolescant phase or behavioural problems can begin to occur.
    At 14 weeks, your dog is learning about its family, its status and the status of others in its family. What works and doesnt work when it comes to getting you off your backside and playing with them. Bite inhibition needs teaching now if you are not doing protective work in future. But at a level where you simply redirect the pup onto its tug toy rather than your lengerie please!

    I guess asking yourself what it is you want from your pup will direct you on what and how to introduce your pup to over the coming weeks and months of training her.

    Certain specialist canines need specialist puppy development, developing drives etc. For a pet, you perhaps dont want certain drives developed. DO you wish to trial? in what? or do you want a beautifully well mannered obedient family pet?

    I wish you both all the best of luck together. Have fun in your training together

    Bernie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanji's Brother View Post
    Hi
    I have a 14 week old GSD female. She has been to two puppy classes, which in my opinion completely ruined her and was a grave mistake. She is overly hypo when greeting other dogs and yelps and screams to go play with them when held back. She is extremely friendly towards complete strangers, she jumps up at them and tries to lick their faces and gives them greetings. The vet nurses started this by initially greeting her with high pitched voices, now she runs to everyone for attention. At home she gets plenty of attention and playtime, so their is no lacking of attention that she might be seeking out.

    The GSD I grew up with, Sanji, was a beautiful female that was unbelievably perfect, she paid no attention to strangers or other dogs or animals, we were her world and she was utterly devoted, loyal and protective.

    What can I do to make this puppy less distracted and more aloof towards strangers, she hasn't displayed any protectiveness to anything, but she is young, what age do they start showing this. Sanji was aloof and protective from and early age.

    I am sick to death of reading the general internet answer to my puppy is too friendly situations of "oh well done you have a socialised dog, and only idiots want aloof dogs". These people have no idea of working dogs. I am have a security job part time, for which Sanji would have been perfect, however this pups working prospect really concerns me.
    Personally, I don't like puppy classes and the typical pet socialisation routines as the most stupid behaviour I have seen from dogs where the handler struggles to focus their dog in the face of distractions from people and other dogs are pups who have been down this path learning a high value for people and dogs. I didn't socialise my working line dog at all in the sense of allowing any free for all interactions with people or dogs. We did all our basic training and imprinting in the back yard, other than frequent car rides where he could see the world, I didn't take him out onto foreign ground until his last Parvo vaccination had kicked in at 18 weeks.

    I am of the opinion after the aggression problems we had with our showline GSD who did get the full ten yards and more of typical socialisation from puppy classes onwards that genetics plays a greater role in dog behaviour than any socialisation routines and after my first experience in the supposed right socialisation pattern that didn't help my showline dog, we raised our working dog differently. A dog of unstable or nervy temperament is either genetically in the dog or not, my working dog at 22 months old would have lucky to be patted by more than 3 or 4 people outside of us in his life, apart from our dogs, he has never played with another dog, but he is completely neutral to people and dogs, has no positive value for them, neither is he reactive, he couldn't care less about them, he's extremely aloof and retains the same handler focus and working aptitude in distraction as he does in the back yard.

    All I did was expose him to people and dogs doing focus routines and drive training in those distractions, like doing some drive work with the ball on a shopping centre footpath with people walking around us, stopping at fences where barking dogs are on the other side then doing some obedience and drive routines, he glances at people and dogs and is aware of them, but he has no interests other than what we are doing. Same thing in traffic doing a rountine on the centre island on busy roads, doing a routine at a bus stop when the bus pulls up and people are getting on and off, but having said that, he does have nice nerve as you need in a working dog, he doesn't spook and he is adaptable to new situations and environments, my showline dog isn't adaptable to anything where people and dogs are concerned and switches straight into reactive defence as a behaviour default.

    My working dog has been wary of things growing up, polished floor boards was one thing he didn't like, but you could coax him over easily to face anything he backed away from as pup, 30 seconds work and he was all good, my showline dog in comparison took him weeks to get over things sometimes which I see as the genetic structure of the dog, not the raising, training and socialisation aspects than many people find so highly important to make or break a dog.

    I read about a police dog program used in one of the USA departments where they don't socialise the pups at all, they are sent out to family homes until 14 months old raised soley as pets interacting with only that family. When the police get them for testing, any unstable, reactive or fearful dogs are rejected when exposed to new environments, the adaptable dogs are the only dogs accepted into the training process. The idea was to eliminate temperament faults masked by training and socialisation, they wanted to see raw character in a green dog, not trained behaviour which I thought was an interesting concept?
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    the puppy preschool has not ruined your dog, if you've only been to two sessions that equates to an entire 2 hours out of the dogs life.

    Use this as a learning experience. OK your dog now sees people and dogs as very rewarding ... why is it in 2 hours more rewarding then you as an owner? What do you need to do to build that relationship with your dog?

    Locking your pup away to make it bond more to you is the lazy way. You want a bomb proof dog learn to build the human-dog bond a little more. You are attached to your pup, closer then then other dog/person so you have an advantage. At puppy class dont feed your dog before and bring really smelly, fresh treats. Call your dog back to you, reward with food so your dog learns you are better. Instead of whinging about everything use it as a situation to make your dog one better then everyone elses because you have proofed it from the very beginning to choose you over everything else AND by choice. Not every dog is the same, this dog obviously needs something different from your last dog.

    Socialisation does not mean pushing the dog into situations and letting it do whatever it decides to do. The point is to expose the dog to things and TEACH it the appropriate wanted behaviour and reinforce it heavily.

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    Take the pressure of your self and the dog. 14 weeks old!!!!

    If you are wanting this pup be like or have the same relationship with you as your last dog. Then prepare to be disappointed. No dog will live up to your expectations so foster a new relationship with this one.
    Julie is right when she is suggesting for you to use this as a challenge or learning experience.

    Each dog is different each relationship is different.
    Vendo.
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    Guys this puppy is now over 8 months old lol.

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    8 months old.
    I wonder how the relationship developed?

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    Old thread.The dog is nearly 18 months old

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    Lol thanks Shane, i got it wrong by a year, keep thinking its 2011

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    I knew that.

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